Scotland - Ban on smacking children
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...
Scotland is to become first in UK to make smacking a child illegal.
Personally I'm very much opposed to smacking children. It's a violent act and one that is wrong.
At 46 I recall having a good few hidings from my dad as a child and whilst it 'never did me any harm' nor left any mental scars, I've never smacked any of my own three children all of whom are well mannered, very well behaved (95% of the time) and respectful.
I feel discipline, manners and in general knowing right from wrong is a teaching that begins right from a very early age and there is absolutely no need to smack a child. Roll it out through the UK says I.
Any thoughts...
Scotland is to become first in UK to make smacking a child illegal.
Personally I'm very much opposed to smacking children. It's a violent act and one that is wrong.
At 46 I recall having a good few hidings from my dad as a child and whilst it 'never did me any harm' nor left any mental scars, I've never smacked any of my own three children all of whom are well mannered, very well behaved (95% of the time) and respectful.
I feel discipline, manners and in general knowing right from wrong is a teaching that begins right from a very early age and there is absolutely no need to smack a child. Roll it out through the UK says I.
Any thoughts...
I think we know where this is going...
But, my two children have never been hit or intimidated by me or my wife in any way and they are both growing up in to very polite happy young boys. From a very young age we have taught them right from wrong both by example and by talking to them at an age appropriate level. Smacking children just teaches them about power, control and violence.
My parents used physical punishment and I grew up with anger problems which took me many years to deal with. My children are showing no signs of this.
But, my two children have never been hit or intimidated by me or my wife in any way and they are both growing up in to very polite happy young boys. From a very young age we have taught them right from wrong both by example and by talking to them at an age appropriate level. Smacking children just teaches them about power, control and violence.
My parents used physical punishment and I grew up with anger problems which took me many years to deal with. My children are showing no signs of this.
lord trumpton said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...
Scotland is to become first in UK to make smacking a child illegal.
Personally I'm very much opposed to smacking children. It's a violent act and one that is wrong.
Regardless of the issue (I am in agreement that physical punishment should be unnecessary) I cannot help thinking that there is a very good reason why Scotland is the "first in the world" (ahead of countries like Sweden or Canada that loves this kind of stuff) with several virtue-signalling pieces of legislation and I suspect that it is because every other nation has either not felt the need to waste the valuable time of their legislature on something that can be enforced in other ways or through existing laws or they have considered the unintended consequences of such specific pieces of legislation.Scotland is to become first in UK to make smacking a child illegal.
Personally I'm very much opposed to smacking children. It's a violent act and one that is wrong.
The SNP Scottish Government have a consistently poor record when it comes to well intentioned but badly considered law (see 'named person', sectarian behaviour at football matches and gender selection for three key examples). The way I see it going is spurious accusations by children trying to get back at their parents for taking their ipad off them and insisting they get on with their homework, plus the really serious and difficult cases involving families from utterly terrible backgrounds will be ignored because of the difficulties in collecting evidence and getting such individuals to engage with the law, and the test case will become some otherwise loving middle-class family where one poor mother got to the end of her tether with her little brat in a supermarket.
However, anyone daring to question it all will be hit with a 'think of the children' argument and be accused of being a child-beater.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 3rd October 07:07
Another law from the SNP that's going to end up a complete farce. The country will loose more freedom every year these numpties are in charge.
I'm actually against smacking a child. Sometimes they need a little shock to get them to listen though.
Twice in my life iv been smacked. It worked. Although looks like my dad was a criminal for doing it. It was fine to let me throw fire snaps at old ladies feet though, but giving me a not even sore, more of a shock, smack sorted me out. Thatll teach him though. Send him to jail.
I'm actually against smacking a child. Sometimes they need a little shock to get them to listen though.
Twice in my life iv been smacked. It worked. Although looks like my dad was a criminal for doing it. It was fine to let me throw fire snaps at old ladies feet though, but giving me a not even sore, more of a shock, smack sorted me out. Thatll teach him though. Send him to jail.
The Scottish 'government' isn't allowed to do anything normal governments do, so instead it dreams up an endless stream of nannying bulls
t intended to justify its existence. See named persons, minimum alcohol pricing, banning certain songs, this smacking bks...
Personal responsibility is not high on their agenda. The state will decide for you.
Imagine a Sturgeon/Corbyn double act. You've been warned.
t intended to justify its existence. See named persons, minimum alcohol pricing, banning certain songs, this smacking bks...Personal responsibility is not high on their agenda. The state will decide for you.
Imagine a Sturgeon/Corbyn double act. You've been warned.
They are just tinkering as usual, playing at being a government, ask the Scottish executive to do something
really important and lasting that will benefit Scotland like, abolishing Faith Schools or ditching the Not Proven verdict,
they get all coy and bashful and say it's more important that they legislate what we can eat and drink .
really important and lasting that will benefit Scotland like, abolishing Faith Schools or ditching the Not Proven verdict,
they get all coy and bashful and say it's more important that they legislate what we can eat and drink .
Wales is a short throw from proving it as a well (passed the last hurdle a month ago or so). And 16 year olds to get the vote, at least in council elections.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49729...
Must be a race on, Wales Assembly seemed to want to be the first.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49729...
Must be a race on, Wales Assembly seemed to want to be the first.
On balance, I welcome it, as hope it will make it easier for social services to stop abusive parents early. The concern is, of course, that a lot of low-risk parents will be reported and police/court time wasted, but then they said that when the seat-belt law came in too, and common sense prevailed.
One question: if this brings children into line with the assault law for adults, is it now illegal for one kid to hit another? They’d have to lock up every pair of brothers under 10 for a start...
One question: if this brings children into line with the assault law for adults, is it now illegal for one kid to hit another? They’d have to lock up every pair of brothers under 10 for a start...
67Dino said:
On balance, I welcome it, as hope it will make it easier for social services to stop abusive parents early.
That's exactly the sort of 'warm and fuzzy' well-intentioned reaction they are hoping for with this, but reality will probably be no change for the worst cases because of as I said the difficulty in collection evidence and the barriers such people well-experienced with the law will put in their way, plus the child now has to face the added threat of 'tell anyone about this and yer ma will go tae jail and it'll be your fault'.Evercross said:
Regardless of the issue (I am in agreement that physical punishment should be unnecessary) I cannot help thinking that there is a very good reason why Scotland is the "first in the world" (ahead of countries like Sweden or Canada that loves this kind of stuff) with several virtue-signalling pieces of legislation...
I agree the SNP are idiots, but Scotland will be the 58th country to do this I think it said in the article, so we're far from the first to do so in this case.On the plus side, it's nice of the Scots to acquiesce to being a social experimentation play ground for the rest of the world.
We:ll now be able to tell empirically whether minimum pricing on alcohol or not smacking children actually work or not.
What odds that there is no improvement in... In? What issue are they seeing and what figures do they expect to rise/fall as a result? Kids admitted to care? Social services effort on abused kids?
We:ll now be able to tell empirically whether minimum pricing on alcohol or not smacking children actually work or not.
What odds that there is no improvement in... In? What issue are they seeing and what figures do they expect to rise/fall as a result? Kids admitted to care? Social services effort on abused kids?
Evercross said:
Regardless of the issue (I am in agreement that physical punishment should be unnecessary) I cannot help thinking that there is a very good reason why Scotland is the "first in the world" (ahead of countries like Sweden or Canada that loves this kind of stuff)
Scotland may be the first in the UK, but it won't be "the first in the world".Smacking children is illegal in 62 countries including such bastions of progressive policy as Argentina, Moldova and the Sudan. Oh yes, and Sweden (since 1966).
k
klootzak said:
Evercross said:
Regardless of the issue (I am in agreement that physical punishment should be unnecessary) I cannot help thinking that there is a very good reason why Scotland is the "first in the world" (ahead of countries like Sweden or Canada that loves this kind of stuff)
Scotland may be the first in the UK, but it won't be "the first in the world".Smacking children is illegal in 62 countries including such bastions of progressive policy as Argentina, Moldova and the Sudan. Oh yes, and Sweden (since 1966).
k
klootzak said:
Evercross said:
Regardless of the issue (I am in agreement that physical punishment should be unnecessary) I cannot help thinking that there is a very good reason why Scotland is the "first in the world" (ahead of countries like Sweden or Canada that loves this kind of stuff)
Scotland may be the first in the UK, but it won't be "the first in the world".Smacking children is illegal in 62 countries including such bastions of progressive policy as Argentina, Moldova and the Sudan. Oh yes, and Sweden (since 1966).
k
PH at its best!
technodup said:
The Scottish 'government' isn't allowed to do anything normal governments do, so instead it dreams up an endless stream of nannying bullst intended to justify its existence. See named persons, minimum alcohol pricing, banning certain songs, this smacking bks...
Personal responsibility is not high on their agenda. The state will decide for you.
Imagine a Sturgeon/Corbyn double act. You've been warned.
Those bloody nats not allowing us to hit our children and sing the billy boys. Disgrace.t intended to justify its existence. See named persons, minimum alcohol pricing, banning certain songs, this smacking bks...Personal responsibility is not high on their agenda. The state will decide for you.
Imagine a Sturgeon/Corbyn double act. You've been warned.
Randy Winkman said:
Exactly. There's nothing odd about people not being allowed to hit children. In pretty much the same way that their not allowed to hit anyone else. If I'm not happy with one of my work colleagues I don't hit them. Perhaps there doesn't really need to be a new law. Perhaps someone just needs to go to the police, courts, lawyers and judges and say that the law about hitting big people also protects small people.
This, which takes me back to my point about the SNP habit of screwing up existing remedies by applying badly drafted virtue signalling new legislation that covers the same offences, or worse still introduces some window-dressing measure intended to make it look like something new is being done to resolve a problem but makes things worse because it leads to a scaling back of the proper measures that were working previously.This has been the way things have gone so far just about every time the Scottish Government have passed legislation, which points to a fundamental ineptitude.
The inevitable result of such legislation will be spurious accusations being made and benign situations being prosecuted in order to make a public display of the legislation 'working' so that the politicians can pat themselves on the back while the hard-core cases will continue to go unpunished.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 3rd October 10:38
Murph7355 said:
We:ll now be able to tell empirically whether minimum pricing on alcohol or not smacking children actually work or not.
Minimum pricing doesn't work, the drunks just steal the alcohol they need now if they can't afford it.Same as drug addicts breaking into cars and sheds for their next fix.
I don't think you should ever smack a child but it does no harm for there to be an ultimate deterrent. Children need to know that bad actions have bad consequences and as a parent if you do need to use the ultimate deterrent then you've pretty much failed. It is a last resort but is a good way of resetting the parameters of behaviour.
When they were growing up I never found it necessary to smack my children but they did know I would be prepared to do so if necessary.
Taking it away from parents just reduces the ability to do their job.
No country wants to use their nuclear weapons but we all need them.
Unfortunately there are some crap parents out there that use the ultimate deterrent to excess, too easily and too often and as usual a new law is introduced that has no effect to control the small minority and just makes the majorities life harder.
When they were growing up I never found it necessary to smack my children but they did know I would be prepared to do so if necessary.
Taking it away from parents just reduces the ability to do their job.
No country wants to use their nuclear weapons but we all need them.
Unfortunately there are some crap parents out there that use the ultimate deterrent to excess, too easily and too often and as usual a new law is introduced that has no effect to control the small minority and just makes the majorities life harder.
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