Police - huge mistake?
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Saleen836

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12,305 posts

233 months

Thursday 3rd October 2019
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The following article caught my attention.....
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/police-allow-t...

I assume most of the 101 call center people are civilian, but surely they should have stopped reading from a script and asked advice from someone higher up?

Glasgowrob

3,318 posts

145 months

Thursday 3rd October 2019
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Stuff like this really doesn't surprise me at all anymore

The police are no longer fit for purpose in so many ways


anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 3rd October 2019
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Within 24 hours thee will be replied that will amuse you, bemuse you and cause you to think ….. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 3rd October 2019
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Glasgowrob said:
Stuff like this really doesn't surprise me at all anymore

The police are no longer fit for purpose in so many ways
The police along with the judiciary have been totally unfit for purpose for years.
Tell us something new?

irocfan

47,041 posts

214 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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Don't worry lessons will be learned

Four Litre

2,174 posts

216 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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Nothing surprises me now - even this!!!

IMHO -The police lost it years ago when they embraced PC, (literally)

Nowadays them showing support for LGBTSTBAHDKHSJW is more important than actual police work.

crankedup

25,764 posts

267 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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irocfan said:
Don't worry lessons will be learned
If ever a phrase really annoys me it is that one, trotted out like ‘I’ve said it, now I’m excused’.

Derek Smith

49,008 posts

272 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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crankedup said:
If ever a phrase really annoys me it is that one, trotted out like ‘I’ve said it, now I’m excused’.
Would you prefer, 'We'll continue doing it in the same old way.'?


JuanCarlosFandango

9,566 posts

95 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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The only surprise is that the police didn't take the drugs themselves.

Four Litre

2,174 posts

216 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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Derek Smith said:
crankedup said:
If ever a phrase really annoys me it is that one, trotted out like ‘I’ve said it, now I’m excused’.
Would you prefer, 'We'll continue doing it in the same old way.'?
Yes - as that's what they will do. At least be honest.

I would prefer them to say, we will just pretend to take this on board as then it will all hopefully go away and we can carry on the same, maybe with pay rises all round and a huge bonus.

The phrase Lessons Learnt is used at the end of a project, its supposed to be a point where all the mistakes are acknowledged and processes amended to ensure they don't happen again.

Out of all the huge corporate firms I've worked with over the years, I've never seen it happen!

anonymous-user

78 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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I think we need some more hell in a handbasket melodrama in this thread.

Just checked - Oh, prisons are still full of criminals. Odd given the apparent focus on LGBTSTBAHDKHSJW...

Four Litre said:
Yes - as that's what they will do. At least be honest.
If I'm being honest you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are examples (loads when you have access to the archive) where things have been changed due to a reviews over policing incidents: https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/research-and-lear...




Four Litre

2,174 posts

216 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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La Liga said:
I think we need some more hell in a handbasket melodrama in this thread.

Just checked - Oh, prisons are still full of criminals. Odd given the apparent focus on LGBTSTBAHDKHSJW...

Four Litre said:
Yes - as that's what they will do. At least be honest.
If I'm being honest you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are lots of examples where things have been changed due to a reviews over policing incidents: https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/research-and-lear...
You do know what it means when you start a sentence with "If I'm being honest...."

frozen-in-wiltshire

152 posts

108 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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Derek Smith said:
crankedup said:
If ever a phrase really annoys me it is that one, trotted out like ‘I’ve said it, now I’m excused’.
Would you prefer, 'We'll continue doing it in the same old way.'?
Well, that actually sounds honest - so yes, I'd prefer the honesty instead of the PC BS - plus a head on a spike above the door to show some contrition for the failure would be good too.

anonymous-user

78 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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Four Litre said:
La Liga said:
I think we need some more hell in a handbasket melodrama in this thread.

Just checked - Oh, prisons are still full of criminals. Odd given the apparent focus on LGBTSTBAHDKHSJW...

Four Litre said:
Yes - as that's what they will do. At least be honest.
If I'm being honest you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are lots of examples where things have been changed due to a reviews over policing incidents: https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/research-and-lear...
You do know what it means when you start a sentence with "If I'm being honest...."
You do not what it means when you claim things won't be changed and then imply it doesn't happen (because you've worked with some apparently poor companies), and then someone comes along and shows you you don't know what you're talking about (with evidence), don't you?

You've asserted nothing will change over this incident. You have no idea how the police review and change things thus you don't know what you're talking about.

Dig a bit more with this one.

Abbott

2,851 posts

227 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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Hmm…. so you find a purse with potentially stolen Credit Cards and Cocaine and you are happy to have that sat in your desk or on your person.

I think I would have called the police to explain what I found and then personally delivered it to the local police station.

At least if Im stoped on route i have explained why it is in my possession and the Police can then manage handing it back to owner and her 20 stone angry minder.

Shirley he could be accused of dealing if he hands it to her?

55palfers

6,292 posts

188 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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La Liga said:
f I'm being honest you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are lots of examples where things have been changed due to a reviews over policing incidents: https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/research-and-lear...
Just read the first case in your link.

Man with mental health issues detained in the nick for not paying a cab fare.

Any idea why Plod didn't just take him home?

Quick and cheap result. Plod back on patrol in 10 minutes perhaps...

Pesty

42,655 posts

280 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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matrignano

4,676 posts

234 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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Why did the guy who found the purse give it back???

anonymous-user

78 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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Abbott said:
Hmm…. so you find a purse with potentially stolen Credit Cards and Cocaine and you are happy to have that sat in your desk or on your person.

I think I would have called the police to explain what I found and then personally delivered it to the local police station.

At least if Im stoped on route i have explained why it is in my possession and the Police can then manage handing it back to owner and her 20 stone angry minder.

Shirley he could be accused of dealing if he hands it to her?
It'd have been much better advice to ask him to bring it to a police station.

All calls are recorded so there would be no issue if he was found with it etc.

55palfers said:
La Liga said:
f I'm being honest you have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are lots of examples where things have been changed due to a reviews over policing incidents: https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/research-and-lear...
Just read the first case in your link.

Man with mental health issues detained in the nick for not paying a cab fare.

Any idea why Plod didn't just take him home?

Quick and cheap result. Plod back on patrol in 10 minutes perhaps...
Just because someone has mental health issues doesn't mean they are not criminally accountable. It's a high threshold.

Indeed, the report refers to the person in question having had an appropriate adult previously suggesting he's been 'in trouble' before.

Most people in the criminal justice system have MH issues so it's a very common occurrence.

Dealing with people who ideally probably should be in custody is everyday business for the police. If their arrest is lawful and they won't go in a cell, then they are going to end up in the cell, regardless of any compromises made.
The issue there appears to be the officer not informing the custody Sergeant the man had said he was mildly autistic.

In terms of a crappy 'not paying a taxi fare' type incident, the last thing anyone wants to do is make an arrest. It can usually be sorted there and then as they tried to do. Unfortunately in some circumstances it may not be so arrests may need to be made.







Pesty

42,655 posts

280 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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matrignano said:
Why did the guy who found the purse give it back???
He’d have been charged with theft when the ‘ owner ‘ complained