Best 987 Suspension Setup
Discussion
anonymous said:
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the likes of PSS9 and KW are 3x the spring rates and thus not really nice on the road.the only off the shelf shocks I know with much lower rates are the JRZ touring range which look and sound the best imo. If I were buying, it would either be the R set up or the JRZ tourings, every thing else the spring rates are way too much. even the Ohlins I don't here good things, but again massive spring rates again. most of these set ups are for track work which work on the road, but then no one uses them on track !
would I risk after market Koni on R springs, no, not when the R set up just works pretty perfect and would cost about £2k and had Porsche backing and testing to make the R win best drivers car 2011 !
http://www.carnewal.com/products/987/p87018/987-2-...
the 2 way JRZ tourings are £3.5k and use a much better Front 50 N/mm,Rear 65 N/mm rates for a 987. (you can buy 1 ways also.)
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 4th October 09:52
anonymous said:
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correct and I have given mine :-) I have driven an Ohlins car and a KW car not a PSS9 car , but I would guess, as they all go over stupid on the spring rates they are a muchness. and While I have not been in a 987 with PSS9 my mate has them on his S3 and it's hard as nails and frankly nasty on a fast B road ie it don't cope !!I pulled out the JRZ touring as they don't have high rates like the 3 we have just talked about do.
I have the rates of them all some where, but the JRZ touring would (I again would guess as not tried them) be pretty good and valved to match , I will prob get them for my 987.2 Spyder in the 2 way design over winter.
How ever good the damping is a stiff rate is a stiff rate and a spring is there to only supports the cars weight. just about all aftermarket setup are design for track days not UK B road use. I think JRZ stand alone in their touring range of units on cars used on the road.
I'm looking to upgrade my suspension too in the new year and was looking at Cayman R springs with Bilstein B8 dampers (I'm guessing you can get the R springs direct from Porsche?). Would it be better to match the R springs with R dampers or would the Bilsteins be fine? Road use only.
I haven't used them on a Cayman but i was running KW Clubsports on my Impreza which was a big bhp road car.
I specified it was always a road car and the damping was exceptionally compliant. I wouldn't have any reservations about using a high end KW damper on a Cayman at all for road use. In addition they're Inox stainless steel bodies so a very corrosion resistant.
One of the main issues with using coilovers on the road in the UK is the corrosion in my opinion.
The KWs are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of corrosion resistance. Mine were on for 5 years and were practically as mint as the day they were fitted.
I ran PSS10s on another car and although quite nicely built, i was never that blown away with their performance to be honest. Again, no matter what you do with them, they also corrode mike crazy too.
The Cayman R does drive and ride very well IMO and feels great on the road 90% of the time. However as said, you will pay R tax on sourcing some so a good quality coilover may well offer greater value for money.
I specified it was always a road car and the damping was exceptionally compliant. I wouldn't have any reservations about using a high end KW damper on a Cayman at all for road use. In addition they're Inox stainless steel bodies so a very corrosion resistant.
One of the main issues with using coilovers on the road in the UK is the corrosion in my opinion.
The KWs are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of corrosion resistance. Mine were on for 5 years and were practically as mint as the day they were fitted.
I ran PSS10s on another car and although quite nicely built, i was never that blown away with their performance to be honest. Again, no matter what you do with them, they also corrode mike crazy too.
The Cayman R does drive and ride very well IMO and feels great on the road 90% of the time. However as said, you will pay R tax on sourcing some so a good quality coilover may well offer greater value for money.
frayz said:
I haven't used them on a Cayman but i was running KW Clubsports on my Impreza which was a big bhp road car.
I specified it was always a road car and the damping was exceptionally compliant. I wouldn't have any reservations about using a high end KW damper on a Cayman at all for road use. In addition they're Inox stainless steel bodies so a very corrosion resistant.
One of the main issues with using coilovers on the road in the UK is the corrosion in my opinion.
The KWs are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of corrosion resistance. Mine were on for 5 years and were practically as mint as the day they were fitted.
I ran PSS10s on another car and although quite nicely built, i was never that blown away with their performance to be honest. Again, no matter what you do with them, they also corrode mike crazy too.
The Cayman R does drive and ride very well IMO and feels great on the road 90% of the time. However as said, you will pay R tax on sourcing some so a good quality coilover may well offer greater value for money.
Pretty much spot on all that Frayz. I'm not convinced by the PSS9's either, I ran them on my 996 GT3 (albeit with some Eibach springs whose rates were better suited to a 996 GT2 than a GT3, and for the record, they were amazing when fitted to my mate's GT2).I specified it was always a road car and the damping was exceptionally compliant. I wouldn't have any reservations about using a high end KW damper on a Cayman at all for road use. In addition they're Inox stainless steel bodies so a very corrosion resistant.
One of the main issues with using coilovers on the road in the UK is the corrosion in my opinion.
The KWs are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of corrosion resistance. Mine were on for 5 years and were practically as mint as the day they were fitted.
I ran PSS10s on another car and although quite nicely built, i was never that blown away with their performance to be honest. Again, no matter what you do with them, they also corrode mike crazy too.
The Cayman R does drive and ride very well IMO and feels great on the road 90% of the time. However as said, you will pay R tax on sourcing some so a good quality coilover may well offer greater value for money.
The KW's are good (not the best, far from it, but at their price point, they're a good all rounder with the additional benefit that as FrayZ says, they're manufactured from Inox stainless and have adjustable spring seats that can't/won't corrode)
Agree too on your comments regarding the stock Cayman R suspension, it's excellent 90-95% of the time on the road and only starts to lose its composure when really pushed over the really fast, cresty stuff (where it's slightly too stiff)
Are coilovers worth the investment for that occasional 5-10% in extremis ? Only the OP will know that and then decide if he can justify the additional costs.
My car (Impreza) was photographed and driven by a photographer & journalist called Steve Hall for a magazine publication.
He actually writes about how well it was setup for the road. Now i'm not saying for one second he, or i for that matter are the final word in road car dynamics at all. However my guess is, as a motoring journo, he has driven a hell of a lot of stuff, and would know what a well damped car should feel like.
I have included the extracts from the mag if you would like to read his thoughts on it.
If i were upgrading my Cayman R dampers i think i would be looking at the offerings from the likes of Nitron, but they're way overkill for the road and almost double the price of the KW Clubsport offerings.
As Slippy says above, at their price pint, they're an exceptionally good value package that offers performance to rival many of the peers.
He actually writes about how well it was setup for the road. Now i'm not saying for one second he, or i for that matter are the final word in road car dynamics at all. However my guess is, as a motoring journo, he has driven a hell of a lot of stuff, and would know what a well damped car should feel like.
I have included the extracts from the mag if you would like to read his thoughts on it.
If i were upgrading my Cayman R dampers i think i would be looking at the offerings from the likes of Nitron, but they're way overkill for the road and almost double the price of the KW Clubsport offerings.
As Slippy says above, at their price pint, they're an exceptionally good value package that offers performance to rival many of the peers.
frayz said:
My car (Impreza) was photographed and driven by a photographer & journalist called Steve Hall for a magazine publication.
He actually writes about how well it was setup for the road. Now i'm not saying for one second he, or i for that matter are the final word in road car dynamics at all. However my guess is, as a motoring journo, he has driven a hell of a lot of stuff, and would know what a well damped car should feel like.
I have included the extracts from the mag if you would like to read his thoughts on it.
If i were upgrading my Cayman R dampers i think i would be looking at the offerings from the likes of Nitron, but they're way overkill for the road and almost double the price of the KW Clubsport offerings.
As Slippy says above, at their price point, they're an exceptionally good value package that offers performance to rival many of the peers.
I remember reading the article on your car in Banzai He actually writes about how well it was setup for the road. Now i'm not saying for one second he, or i for that matter are the final word in road car dynamics at all. However my guess is, as a motoring journo, he has driven a hell of a lot of stuff, and would know what a well damped car should feel like.
I have included the extracts from the mag if you would like to read his thoughts on it.
If i were upgrading my Cayman R dampers i think i would be looking at the offerings from the likes of Nitron, but they're way overkill for the road and almost double the price of the KW Clubsport offerings.
As Slippy says above, at their price point, they're an exceptionally good value package that offers performance to rival many of the peers.
Crazy attention to detail. Love the Turini's
Guess really like all these things, it all comes down to cost.
As above, if the fixed rate damper/spring combo can be had for sensible money then its a no brainer. If theyre getting close to a good quality coilover setup then id be tempted to spend the extra and have the ride height adjustability too.
If the fixed rate stuff comes up cheap, maybe use the money saved on some proper LCAs and a geo setup. A bit of extra camber/caster up front brings the Cayman alive.
Sensible dampers for the application and proper alignment make the 987 a very special road/track machine
As above, if the fixed rate damper/spring combo can be had for sensible money then its a no brainer. If theyre getting close to a good quality coilover setup then id be tempted to spend the extra and have the ride height adjustability too.
If the fixed rate stuff comes up cheap, maybe use the money saved on some proper LCAs and a geo setup. A bit of extra camber/caster up front brings the Cayman alive.
Sensible dampers for the application and proper alignment make the 987 a very special road/track machine
Thanks for all the feedback. I am a bit more confused but I have worked out my options and they are
1 Get the Boxster Spyder Springs and Shocks.
2 Wait till Kona do a 987 set which should be at the end of the year.
3 Some Shocks with the H&R M030 Performance Lowering Spring Kit.
4 KW Coilover Variant 1 inox.
At the moment I am thinking KW Variant 1 but I imagine I will change me mind after 5 minutes.
1 Get the Boxster Spyder Springs and Shocks.
2 Wait till Kona do a 987 set which should be at the end of the year.
3 Some Shocks with the H&R M030 Performance Lowering Spring Kit.
4 KW Coilover Variant 1 inox.
At the moment I am thinking KW Variant 1 but I imagine I will change me mind after 5 minutes.
Batlamb said:
Thanks for all the feedback. I am a bit more confused but I have worked out my options and they are
1 Get the Boxster Spyder Springs and Shocks.
2 Wait till Kona do a 987 set which should be at the end of the year.
3 Some Shocks with the H&R M030 Performance Lowering Spring Kit.
4 KW Coilover Variant 1 inox.
At the moment I am thinking KW Variant 1 but I imagine I will change me mind after 5 minutes.
I really do think you need to try KW 1st, the spring rates are very high.1 Get the Boxster Spyder Springs and Shocks.
2 Wait till Kona do a 987 set which should be at the end of the year.
3 Some Shocks with the H&R M030 Performance Lowering Spring Kit.
4 KW Coilover Variant 1 inox.
At the moment I am thinking KW Variant 1 but I imagine I will change me mind after 5 minutes.
Not sure I’d go down the variant 1 route. As one of the main appeals of a good coilover is the ability to adjust at least the low speed rebound.
The variant 1 is a fixed passive damper.
Agree with the above, try as hard as you can to get a drive of a car equipped with whatever you choose before spending.
The variant 1 is a fixed passive damper.
Agree with the above, try as hard as you can to get a drive of a car equipped with whatever you choose before spending.
I fitted Ohlins Road and track to my gen 2 Cayman S. 2 and a bit years in and I am generally very pleased, my mandate was 2 or 3 track days a year, lower ride height for aesthetics and weekend driving.
On track it's great, same on smooth 'A' roads but bumpy 'B' roads not so much which is where the car spends a lot of it's time! It's just a bit too stiff so next year I will be dropping the spring rate all round.
The Ohlins were not cheap and there are other options suggested which may make more sense to you however one not mentioned are 'BC coilovers'. These are certainly at the budget end of aftermarket coilovers but they get mostly positive reviews and I am sure will give some adjustability at a sensible price and professionally set up maybe a nice improvement for fast road driving plus you can probably specify your own spring rates, maybe go with Cayman R rating? I am not aware of any Cayman owners who have fitted them but a quick google search shows a few 997's out there with good results.
On track it's great, same on smooth 'A' roads but bumpy 'B' roads not so much which is where the car spends a lot of it's time! It's just a bit too stiff so next year I will be dropping the spring rate all round.
The Ohlins were not cheap and there are other options suggested which may make more sense to you however one not mentioned are 'BC coilovers'. These are certainly at the budget end of aftermarket coilovers but they get mostly positive reviews and I am sure will give some adjustability at a sensible price and professionally set up maybe a nice improvement for fast road driving plus you can probably specify your own spring rates, maybe go with Cayman R rating? I am not aware of any Cayman owners who have fitted them but a quick google search shows a few 997's out there with good results.
Rocket. said:
I fitted Ohlins Road and track to my gen 2 Cayman S. 2 and a bit years in and I am generally very pleased, my mandate was 2 or 3 track days a year, lower ride height for aesthetics and weekend driving.
On track it's great, same on smooth 'A' roads but bumpy 'B' roads not so much which is where the car spends a lot of it's time! It's just a bit too stiff so next year I will be dropping the spring rate all round.
The Ohlins were not cheap and there are other options suggested which may make more sense to you however one not mentioned are 'BC coilovers'. These are certainly at the budget end of aftermarket coilovers but they get mostly positive reviews and I am sure will give some adjustability at a sensible price and professionally set up maybe a nice improvement for fast road driving plus you can probably specify your own spring rates, maybe go with Cayman R rating? I am not aware of any Cayman owners who have fitted them but a quick google search shows a few 997's out there with good results.
Rocket, I have done some research and I think BC Coilovers might have to go top of my list for the time being. Problem is I am struggling to find positive feedback on most stuff but there are quite a few people speaking highly of them. Thanking you.On track it's great, same on smooth 'A' roads but bumpy 'B' roads not so much which is where the car spends a lot of it's time! It's just a bit too stiff so next year I will be dropping the spring rate all round.
The Ohlins were not cheap and there are other options suggested which may make more sense to you however one not mentioned are 'BC coilovers'. These are certainly at the budget end of aftermarket coilovers but they get mostly positive reviews and I am sure will give some adjustability at a sensible price and professionally set up maybe a nice improvement for fast road driving plus you can probably specify your own spring rates, maybe go with Cayman R rating? I am not aware of any Cayman owners who have fitted them but a quick google search shows a few 997's out there with good results.
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