Rock and Roll Part 2...
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J4CKO

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46,071 posts

224 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Couldn't find a thread on this but looks like Gary Glitter is getting some airtime as Rock and Roll Part 2 appears in the new Joker film.


https://www.theguardian.com/music/shortcuts/2019/o...


Not seen the film yet but saw a clip and it sort of fits the tone that I believe the film is aiming for and the background makes it all the darker if aware of its origin, just listened to it on Spotify (though expect I have now just joined a list somewhere) but hate to admit it, despite him being a reprehensible pervert, its a pretty compelling tune.

I will stick the the Timelords version "Doctorin the Tardis" as imagine knocking your headphones off/out/disconnecting and blasting out a bit of Gary Glitter biggrin Would feel like that bloke from Pheonix nights.


So, Uncle Gazzer could be in for a paedo payday, may be some legal reasons as to why not but pretty possible there will be a few more downloads and a new generation humming Rock and Roll part 2.

It is weird how someone back catalogue just evaporates when they get convicted, same with the Lost Prophets but Michael Jackson is still up for debate, too big ? not convicted ?

Did they pick this because it was suitable, or to generate publicity ?



Mods, any chance you can correct my spelling mistake in the title please ?


Cantaloupe

1,056 posts

84 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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One of Glitter's tunes is played regularly at ice hockey [ or baseball maybe ] games, which is a source of revenue for him.

His criminality is not a big deal in the USA .

KingNothing

3,309 posts

177 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Cantaloupe said:
One of Glitter's tunes is played regularly at ice hockey or baseball maybe games, which is a source of revenue for him.

His criminality is not a big deal in the USA .
It's the same song that's in the Joker, I agree with the above, if he'd been an American the publicity of him would have been more well known, and his songs probably wouldn't have been used. I went to America for a sporting tournament last year and I'm sure it was in the playlist they played in between games.

jonmiles

107 posts

80 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Wasn't this actually done by his band, The Glitter Band and not by him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USWsxluQ9ns

If so, no problem.

Dog Star

17,381 posts

192 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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I'm a bit perplexed at all this outrage and people going mad about this and the royalty money.
The bloke is a convicted kiddie fiddler - the penalty for his crimes is his incarceration and any subsequent surveillance, reporting etc.

A good tune is a good tune, and if people are playing it or using it then he is entitled to be paid for it if it's not against the law.

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo

15,078 posts

193 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Cantaloupe said:
One of Glitter's tunes is played regularly at ice hockey (or baseball maybe) games, which is a source of revenue for him.

His criminality is not a big deal in the USA .
yes

I was in Berlin watching the Eisbären when I heard “Leader of the Gang” during a break in play. Surrounded by a few Germans chanting the song, I felt quite uncomfortable hehe


Supercilious Sid

2,699 posts

185 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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It was used in Meet the Parents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flqu8TAROss
There wasnt the moral panic there is now about starving criminals for the rest of their lives.

wl606

268 posts

224 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Dog Star said:
I'm a bit perplexed at all this outrage and people going mad about this and the royalty money.
The bloke is a convicted kiddie fiddler - the penalty for his crimes is his incarceration and any subsequent surveillance, reporting etc.

A good tune is a good tune, and if people are playing it or using it then he is entitled to be paid for it if it's not against the law.
And it definitely is a good tune.

EarlOfHazard

3,630 posts

182 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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Supercilious Sid said:
It was used in Meet the Parents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flqu8TAROss
There wasnt the moral panic there is now about starving criminals for the rest of their lives.
And Happy Gilmore https://youtu.be/nuNjlEq-fL8

Gecko1978

12,302 posts

181 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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should they pay him royalties is that what that leftist rag is asking....course they should its his product.

is he still a pedo ....yes

Vanden Saab

17,458 posts

98 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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jonmiles said:
Wasn't this actually done by his band, The Glitter Band and not by him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USWsxluQ9ns

If so, no problem.
They did record it on their own but it was written by Glitter and Leander. The Glitter band only played on tour as backing for Glitter as in the studio Leander played all the instruments for the backing tracks. I grew up listening to Glitter, the sweet, Slade and others before punk came along so the has fked up my enjoyment of some of my childhood songs...

J4CKO

Original Poster:

46,071 posts

224 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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wl606 said:
Dog Star said:
I'm a bit perplexed at all this outrage and people going mad about this and the royalty money.
The bloke is a convicted kiddie fiddler - the penalty for his crimes is his incarceration and any subsequent surveillance, reporting etc.

A good tune is a good tune, and if people are playing it or using it then he is entitled to be paid for it if it's not against the law.
And it definitely is a good tune.
Bloody found myself humming it today ffs, I dont think he will get vast sums, if anything, its credited to the Glitter Band I think and he isnt exactly going to be spending it and at the end of the day, he is still one of the most reviled people in the UK, a few grand isnt exactly going to change that, dont think he is short of money anyway.

Jim the Sunderer

3,261 posts

206 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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I've got a Gary Glitter tape in the Jag and like him it hadn't gone anywhere in 5 years.

Vanden Saab

17,458 posts

98 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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J4CKO said:
wl606 said:
Dog Star said:
I'm a bit perplexed at all this outrage and people going mad about this and the royalty money.
The bloke is a convicted kiddie fiddler - the penalty for his crimes is his incarceration and any subsequent surveillance, reporting etc.

A good tune is a good tune, and if people are playing it or using it then he is entitled to be paid for it if it's not against the law.
And it definitely is a good tune.
Bloody found myself humming it today ffs, I dont think he will get vast sums, if anything, its credited to the Glitter Band I think and he isnt exactly going to be spending it and at the end of the day, he is still one of the most reviled people in the UK, a few grand isnt exactly going to change that, dont think he is short of money anyway.

EarlOfHazard

3,630 posts

182 months

Tuesday 8th October 2019
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When I was a kid, I was ill in hospital, and Gary Glitter came to visit me.

I was touched.

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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jonmiles said:
Wasn't this actually done by his band, The Glitter Band and not by him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USWsxluQ9ns

If so, no problem.
that's effectively a copy version of the original probably done some time ago. If that's the actual one used in the film that may be less controversial - yea right

the original is Rock n Roll part 2 and was the A or B side of err rock n roll part one
It was simply massive and an instant classic
The follow up I didn't know I loved you till I saw you rock n roll was a defining tune for me
His removal from the xmas compilation albums is well documented

Thing is its how and if you choose to separate the man from his music. Personally I think he had some belting tunes

rowley birkin

513 posts

124 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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EarlOfHazard said:
When I was a kid, I was ill in hospital, and Gary Glitter came to visit me.

I was touched.
Oh come on come on.

buggalugs

9,269 posts

261 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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I think you can separate an artist's work from other things they've done. What if someone told you that a road in your town was built by a pedo, would you not drive on it? It's just the Guardian being the Guardian IMO.

I did think it fit very well with the whole tone of the film. The film was trying hard to make you feel uncomfortable. It was probably a very calculated choice!

Eric Mc

124,996 posts

289 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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jonmiles said:
Wasn't this actually done by his band, The Glitter Band and not by him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USWsxluQ9ns

If so, no problem.
It was the backing music for Rock & Roll Part 1 without the lyrics. It IS chiefly THe Glitter Band but Gary does make the odd noise on Part 2.

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 9th October 2019
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Eric Mc said:
jonmiles said:
Wasn't this actually done by his band, The Glitter Band and not by him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USWsxluQ9ns

If so, no problem.
It was the backing music for Rock & Roll Part 1 without the lyrics. It IS chiefly THe Glitter Band but Gary does make the odd noise on Part 2.
Well. Maybe
But it's credited to him as performer with him and Mike Leander with writing credits.