About to do F10 M5 - anything else to consider?
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I have tried an F10 M5 and think it's decent at 25-30k for '14-15.
But thought I would ask what else of interest is worth considering. Including new/finance.
Obviously M4s are now in this bracket but I prefer the torque on the 5. M2s get great reviews but they too seem less car, cheaper interior, etc.
There's various finance options I'm aware of but mostly unsighted on such as Golf Rs, M140s and A35s at ~ 300/month but I worry they're not quite as enjoyable as the 5. Good deals apparently on the newest F90 - but still circa 700/m+, so not cheap enough to be comparatively affordable?
Would you go for the F10? What have I missed? E63 I don't love the inside/outside, while RS6 is too much. '13 RS4s are in this bracket but I don't really fancy the V6... all the turbo 6s I've tried haven't had the kick I expected.
But thought I would ask what else of interest is worth considering. Including new/finance.
Obviously M4s are now in this bracket but I prefer the torque on the 5. M2s get great reviews but they too seem less car, cheaper interior, etc.
There's various finance options I'm aware of but mostly unsighted on such as Golf Rs, M140s and A35s at ~ 300/month but I worry they're not quite as enjoyable as the 5. Good deals apparently on the newest F90 - but still circa 700/m+, so not cheap enough to be comparatively affordable?
Would you go for the F10? What have I missed? E63 I don't love the inside/outside, while RS6 is too much. '13 RS4s are in this bracket but I don't really fancy the V6... all the turbo 6s I've tried haven't had the kick I expected.
After considering all of the options you list (plus a few others) I opted for a 2016 M5 CP, picked it up last week.
Not sure what else you can get for the money at the moment. I did think about M4s but preferred the V8 in the F10. Some of the golf R deals are appealing, but you can't really compare the two, they are completely different cars.
Not sure I agree with the chocolate engine comments. They may have a few issues, but what M car hasn't? They seem more reliable and feel more well built than my e63 M6. But I extended the BMW warranty just in case (as I would with any car that has such wallet raping potential).
Just get one with a BMW service history and extend the warranty.
Enjoy!
Not sure what else you can get for the money at the moment. I did think about M4s but preferred the V8 in the F10. Some of the golf R deals are appealing, but you can't really compare the two, they are completely different cars.
Not sure I agree with the chocolate engine comments. They may have a few issues, but what M car hasn't? They seem more reliable and feel more well built than my e63 M6. But I extended the BMW warranty just in case (as I would with any car that has such wallet raping potential).
Just get one with a BMW service history and extend the warranty.
Enjoy!
I’ve been lucky to have owned a few decent cars - amg e63 & c63, 3 x m5s (e39,e60, f10), e46 and e90 m3.
The longest I owned a car was the F10.. A’s a road car it’s the best I had. Outrageously fast, incredibly comfortable and easy to drive.
As a track day car the standard F10 M5 is sadly massively flawed. Every car on my back catalogue was better on track than the F10. However, As a road car it’s been the best, and I just bought my second one A CP with a huge list of options and it is a very different car. Much better steering feel, WAY better grip and handling, a little louder, and feels a LOT more special.
warranty would be essential. I had Motoreasy warranty on my F10 and they did finally agree to pay to replace failed injectors and plugs on bank 2- after a bit of haggling. £2k for one bank.. I would not be happy running an m5 without a good warranty.
Just my 2p
The longest I owned a car was the F10.. A’s a road car it’s the best I had. Outrageously fast, incredibly comfortable and easy to drive.
As a track day car the standard F10 M5 is sadly massively flawed. Every car on my back catalogue was better on track than the F10. However, As a road car it’s been the best, and I just bought my second one A CP with a huge list of options and it is a very different car. Much better steering feel, WAY better grip and handling, a little louder, and feels a LOT more special.
warranty would be essential. I had Motoreasy warranty on my F10 and they did finally agree to pay to replace failed injectors and plugs on bank 2- after a bit of haggling. £2k for one bank.. I would not be happy running an m5 without a good warranty.
Just my 2p
Edited by mb26 on Friday 11th October 03:58
mb26 said:
I’ve been lucky to have owned a few decent cars - amg e63 & c63, 3 x m5s (e39,e60, f10), e46 and e90 m3.
The longest I owned a car was the F10.. A’s a road car it’s the best I had. Outrageously fast, incredibly comfortable and easy to drive.
As a track day car the standard F10 M5 is sadly massively flawed. Every car on my back catalogue was better on track than the F10. However, As a road car it’s been the best, and I just bought my second one A CP with a huge list of options and it is a very different car. Much better steering feel, WAY better grip and handling, a little louder, and feels a LOT more special.
warranty would be essential. I had Motoreasy warranty on my F10 and they did finally agree to pay to replace failed injectors and plugs on bank 2- after a bit of haggling. £2k for one bank.. I would not be happy running an m5 without a good warranty.
Just my 2p
Agree with everything there - perfect for the road, effortlessly crunch the miles when needed in auto mode and fun on the backroads just a button away, but don't bother going near a track - far to heavy and nothing like precise enough. Mine couldn't manage a single lap of the ring without crying.The longest I owned a car was the F10.. A’s a road car it’s the best I had. Outrageously fast, incredibly comfortable and easy to drive.
As a track day car the standard F10 M5 is sadly massively flawed. Every car on my back catalogue was better on track than the F10. However, As a road car it’s been the best, and I just bought my second one A CP with a huge list of options and it is a very different car. Much better steering feel, WAY better grip and handling, a little louder, and feels a LOT more special.
warranty would be essential. I had Motoreasy warranty on my F10 and they did finally agree to pay to replace failed injectors and plugs on bank 2- after a bit of haggling. £2k for one bank.. I would not be happy running an m5 without a good warranty.
Just my 2p
Edited by mb26 on Friday 11th October 03:58
OP - where are you planning to buy from?
Pretty much every dealer I spoke to (including several high level performance car specialists) outside of the BMW AUC network had paper-thin warranties with claims limits that would have barely covered a single sensor fault on an M5.
Had I followed through with buying one, I would have factored in applying a BMW extended warranty if i'd have bought outside of the BMW network.
I can't comment on the chocolate engine thing but anecdotally they seem pretty robust compared to previous versions and the E92 M3. That said, one local performance car place I spoke to did say he was getting cold feet about stocking them (and M6s) after a few bad experiences.
Agree on the E63. I tried the 5.5TT one and thought it was a very average car. My F10 530d at the time was better in all regards bar steering and going mental fast.
M6 Gran Coupe?
Pretty much every dealer I spoke to (including several high level performance car specialists) outside of the BMW AUC network had paper-thin warranties with claims limits that would have barely covered a single sensor fault on an M5.
Had I followed through with buying one, I would have factored in applying a BMW extended warranty if i'd have bought outside of the BMW network.
I can't comment on the chocolate engine thing but anecdotally they seem pretty robust compared to previous versions and the E92 M3. That said, one local performance car place I spoke to did say he was getting cold feet about stocking them (and M6s) after a few bad experiences.
Agree on the E63. I tried the 5.5TT one and thought it was a very average car. My F10 530d at the time was better in all regards bar steering and going mental fast.
M6 Gran Coupe?
Why do people keep banging on about track performance in a big saloon??
The M5 is a superb car for doing long journeys in, with sensational top end performance. There is no better car for the job.
The F10 M5 is superb, and now great value for money.
I still miss mine and will never forget being flown to Edinburgh, taken to lunch and then back to the showroom to see my new M5 waiting for me-the drive back to Essex took a strangely long time, I seemed to keep taking detours, including a pit stop to fill up with V-power....£110.05.....it was the 5p that got me!!!!
Get one!
The M5 is a superb car for doing long journeys in, with sensational top end performance. There is no better car for the job.
The F10 M5 is superb, and now great value for money.
I still miss mine and will never forget being flown to Edinburgh, taken to lunch and then back to the showroom to see my new M5 waiting for me-the drive back to Essex took a strangely long time, I seemed to keep taking detours, including a pit stop to fill up with V-power....£110.05.....it was the 5p that got me!!!!
Get one!
Thanks for the responses. Good to hear.
Found an AUC in reasonable spec at a good price. However found out it has sat for 7 months at the dealer compound. Apparently it sold but original buyer couldn't pay / fell through. Not sure what to feel about it.
Car isn't perfect but is far cheaper than similar at other locations. Dealer has very poor reviews online, but is not my local therefore won't need to use them long term.
Found an AUC in reasonable spec at a good price. However found out it has sat for 7 months at the dealer compound. Apparently it sold but original buyer couldn't pay / fell through. Not sure what to feel about it.
Car isn't perfect but is far cheaper than similar at other locations. Dealer has very poor reviews online, but is not my local therefore won't need to use them long term.
Stever said:
^^^This^^^
better looking, rarer, all the good bits of the M5 in a prettier shell.
Indeed. Love the profile - don't like the front though! Nice seats too.better looking, rarer, all the good bits of the M5 in a prettier shell.
Mostly I question desirability of less practical coupes as they get older. Does anyone buy an E60 M6 over the M5? Perhaps, but it was always about the 'M5' to me, with M6 being the quirky alternative.
Also thinking the blue (Monte Carlo?) will age. Noticed they don't offer it on the new G30.
Edited by Monospace on Tuesday 15th October 12:32
Monospace said:
Does anyone buy an E60 M6 over the M5? Perhaps, but it was always about the 'M5' to me, with M6 being the quirky alternative.
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t gearbox but the same in the M5. Only 2 doors in the E63 hence why the F06 (GC) makes complete sense
Stever said:
yep me The E63 M6 was my previous lovely engine st gearbox but the same in the M5. Only 2 doors in the E63 hence why the F06 (GC) makes complete sense
Good to hear there's an interest in them. Always thought large coupes went out of fashion after a few years old. The E63 M6 was my previous lovely engine st gearbox but the same in the M5. Only 2 doors in the E63 hence why the F06 (GC) makes complete senseDeciding whether to buy. Car I like is at dealer with poor repuatation. Obviously for service/warranty I can use another, but concerned about difficulty if returning to resolve any disputes/undisclosed problems.
Got a link?
I've been procrastinating over getting an m5 for over two years. It's not the cost putting me off nor the running costs but more that I love to rev out engines but can't see many times thatll be practical with the m5. Currently have a f10 petrol n53 and its 90% of what i need from a car already. Love the f10 shape but another factor is the door corrosion - mine has just been fixed but it's likely to be recurrent after a few years.
I'd really love the e61 m5 and there is one near me for sale at 20k but whilst the engine is great the older tech puts me off. And the running costs.
I've been procrastinating over getting an m5 for over two years. It's not the cost putting me off nor the running costs but more that I love to rev out engines but can't see many times thatll be practical with the m5. Currently have a f10 petrol n53 and its 90% of what i need from a car already. Love the f10 shape but another factor is the door corrosion - mine has just been fixed but it's likely to be recurrent after a few years.
I'd really love the e61 m5 and there is one near me for sale at 20k but whilst the engine is great the older tech puts me off. And the running costs.
Edited by bmwmike on Tuesday 15th October 14:06
I bought a 2015 M5 in May, approved used so came with 1 year warranty. It had 23k miles and I have put 8k on it since. Had 18m left of a service pack (£1k option when new). It's been a great car so far. Effortless on the motorway. Loads of grunt and fun when you want it, but quiet and refined when cruising. Comes well spec'd. It's hardly used any tyres or brakes in the time I've had it. Next service (major) is due soon and covered on service pack (otherwise ~£850). It's a bit tail happy when conditions aren't perfect, but drive sensibly and not a problem. I like being able to store the settings on the M buttons so you can change the nature of the car at the push of a button. I love it.
Had an F10 M5 for 6 years and over 60K miles - agree with all that has been said - comfortable, effortless performance and mentally fast when needed. Sold 18 months ago now and only had a couple of minor issues with it during my ownership. I thought it was cheap to run for the car it is.
Now 18 months with an M6GC comp pack. Done 18K. Much nicer interior, a bit sharper to drive (but an M5 CP would be also), I prefer external looks. Downsides if you need space for family are it is only an occasional 5 seater and the boot is marginally smaller but with more compromised access.
When I was deciding whether to get another M5 or an M6 GC, I generally found the M6’s to have better spec so that is a factor to consider.
Buy a good M5 or M6 and you’ll enjoy an epic car. Good luck with the search.
Now 18 months with an M6GC comp pack. Done 18K. Much nicer interior, a bit sharper to drive (but an M5 CP would be also), I prefer external looks. Downsides if you need space for family are it is only an occasional 5 seater and the boot is marginally smaller but with more compromised access.
When I was deciding whether to get another M5 or an M6 GC, I generally found the M6’s to have better spec so that is a factor to consider.
Buy a good M5 or M6 and you’ll enjoy an epic car. Good luck with the search.
I went through the same decision process. Nearly got an F10 M5 but dithered too long on the decision and the car / spec I wanted had sold. Ended up getting an M6 GC instead and almost by accident. Similar mechanically but prettier and doesn’t sacrifice touch practicality. I use it as my daily. Comfortably fits the kids in the back too. Love it. No issues to date. Has drunk 1L of oil in 8K miles. It’s a complete monster when you want or a comfortable cruiser if you prefer. Probably the best daily driver I’ve ever had and a complete bargain. Can’t recommend F10 M5 or M6 GC highly enough.
I’ve been running mine for 18months, fast, no faults, very comfortable. It’s been very ‘cheap’ to run and the expensive brakes, tyres etc last a long time.
But I worry about exposure to big bills so I have done what I can to find examples of reports in forums of problems. In so far as I can see, it’s fairly logical.... if you drive the car very hard then the huge weight and power will take a massive toll on the car, if you don’t then it’s arguably over engineered for task. You only need to watch YouTube with people torturing the engine.....I drive mine like every turbo car for the last 20 years, gentle warm up-warm down etc.
When you buy try and obsessively look for the car that hasn’t been caned. I prioritised this way above equipment. You can understand the cars life if you look at the detail of the service periodicity, quantity of tyres, brakes etc. There are reports of brake pads lasting 30k+. A main dealer should be able to share specifics with you. I would take a lot of convincing to buy outside the main dealer network, the first year warranty alone is valuable.
Under 60k miles the warranty is about 800quid...a real bargain...over 60k it jumps to about 2k+ (more if you’ve gone out of warranty). It’s a complicated car, something is likely to break anyway.
WIth the peace of mind that your car isn’t a liability, it’s a wonderful thing to own.
But I worry about exposure to big bills so I have done what I can to find examples of reports in forums of problems. In so far as I can see, it’s fairly logical.... if you drive the car very hard then the huge weight and power will take a massive toll on the car, if you don’t then it’s arguably over engineered for task. You only need to watch YouTube with people torturing the engine.....I drive mine like every turbo car for the last 20 years, gentle warm up-warm down etc.
When you buy try and obsessively look for the car that hasn’t been caned. I prioritised this way above equipment. You can understand the cars life if you look at the detail of the service periodicity, quantity of tyres, brakes etc. There are reports of brake pads lasting 30k+. A main dealer should be able to share specifics with you. I would take a lot of convincing to buy outside the main dealer network, the first year warranty alone is valuable.
Under 60k miles the warranty is about 800quid...a real bargain...over 60k it jumps to about 2k+ (more if you’ve gone out of warranty). It’s a complicated car, something is likely to break anyway.
WIth the peace of mind that your car isn’t a liability, it’s a wonderful thing to own.
Something that puts me off and maybe I'm being stupid is that my current zf8 equipped car creeps forward nice and easy against the brake (like all TQ autos). The dct needs a stab of the throttle to creep. I have a decent sized garage that my car lives in, but it has to negotiate around my wife's car to get out down the driveway - the gap is very tight alongside the two cars at one point - few inches between them at the pinch point and usually have to slow to move the wing mirrors apart. Before I get to the road there is another pinch point of approx 5 inches either side, not so bad but still need to take care.
I've driven two dct m5s and both spun the wheels slightly when trying to get it to creep backwards. Does that get easier with practice?
I've driven two dct m5s and both spun the wheels slightly when trying to get it to creep backwards. Does that get easier with practice?
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