EV tsunami putting off buyers?

[Frimley111R]

For the first time in my life I can see a shift in car technology that is so great that it's actually putting me off buying a new/er car. The press is full of EVs and electrified cars and it feels like buying a 'normal' car would be a mistake given the 'changing world'. Cars with engines already seem a bit 'last year'. I do work in the EV industry and perhaps this is more prominent to me than many others but I do wonder if people are waiting for hybrid/EVs and holding off from normal cars...

[DanL]

Seriously considering a used i8 as my next car, partly as a result of this...

[robbieduncan]

I've said for over a year I won't buy another IC car as a normal car. I don't even really see the point in a hybrid. We'll do what we can to make our ageing BMW last until EVs are the size and cost I want.

[ZX10R NIN]

Not bothered by it personally & I haven't noticed a big shift to electric in my client base, what I have seen is people being more aware of their usage & then getting the right drivetrain to suit their needs.

Which means petrols are on the up hybrids are making up a decent percentage, diesels are still selling in good numbers (used & nearly new) EV's are selling but not in the big numbers expected with IC only car sales not being banned 2040 there's no rush to go Hybrid/EV just yet.

Also with the push for hybrids then I can see diesel hybrids becoming the normal option as it gives the best of all worlds.

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Tuesday 15th October 16:17

[Dave Hedgehog]

ZX10R NIN said:

diesels are still selling in good numbers (used & nearly new)

new diesel sales are falling of a cliff, down 40% over 24months at the start of this year

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6...

[breadvan]

Frimley111R said:

For the first time in my life I can see a shift in car technology that is so great that it's actually putting me off buying a new/er car. The press is full of EVs and electrified cars and it feels like buying a 'normal' car would be a mistake given the 'changing world'. Cars with engines already seem a bit 'last year'. I do work in the EV industry and perhaps this is more prominent to me than many others but I do wonder if people are waiting for hybrid/EVs and holding off from normal cars...

I think you’re right.

I’ll be interested to know what you’re seeing from inside the industry regarding the mainstream switch?

Cheers

[Pica-Pica]

Dave Hedgehog said:

ZX10R NIN said:

diesels are still selling in good numbers (used & nearly new)

new diesel sales are falling of a cliff, down 40% over 24months at the start of this year

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6...

But he was not talking new!

[Pica-Pica]

robbieduncan said:

I've said for over a year I won't buy another IC car as a normal car. I don't even really see the point in a hybrid. We'll do what we can to make our ageing BMW last until EVs are the size and cost I want.

Ignoring charging/refuelling, EVs have to hold 100% of their power, ICE only need to hold 25% (the rest is supplied by oxygen). EVs have a long way to go to be fully usable.

[eldar]

Pica-Pica said:

Ignoring charging/refuelling, EVs have to hold 100% of their power, ICE only need to hold 25% (the rest is supplied by oxygen). EVs have a long way to go to be fully usable.

True, but measure in months rather than years.

[MOBB]

Having changed to a Model 3 Performance, despite its well known issues, i am completely sold on EV’s

Can’t see me going back to ICE cars

Appreciate they aren’t for everyone though

[Frimley111R]

breadvan said:

Frimley111R said:

For the first time in my life I can see a shift in car technology that is so great that it's actually putting me off buying a new/er car. The press is full of EVs and electrified cars and it feels like buying a 'normal' car would be a mistake given the 'changing world'. Cars with engines already seem a bit 'last year'. I do work in the EV industry and perhaps this is more prominent to me than many others but I do wonder if people are waiting for hybrid/EVs and holding off from normal cars...

I think you’re right.

I’ll be interested to know what you’re seeing from inside the industry regarding the mainstream switch?

Cheers

I manage/own an EV charger installation company so whilst I am on the inside in that sub sector, beyond that I'm probably about the same level as you in terms of cars.

[The_Nugget]

I’m looking at my lease renewal next June. I’d like an EV but IMO the market is not mature enough yet. I think the prices are too high and availability too low. I think there are some decent city cars coming out but anything bigger than say the e-Golf the market is pretty limited. The Kia e-Niro looks about in the right spot for size and range but I think in 2-3 years there will be more choice and lower prices.
When they are all only marginally more expensive than their petrol counterparts and do 250 miles on a charge, they will take off.

[Turn7]

Im really curious to see how well any these early EV's age.

I can forsee cars being written off as batteries and associated controller/black boxes fail and cost crazy money to replace.

I have no idea if this is even true or possible - maybe even clickbait, but its how I see things moving forward initially....

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvgxqp/worn-out...

Edited by Turn7 on Tuesday 15th October 19:34

Edited by Turn7 on Tuesday 15th October 21:15

[Jamescrs]

If I was to.go.out and buy a new car tomorrow.i would still be looking at.a.petrol fuelled car as.my primary option over anything else.

I don't think electric is quite there yet for me although no doubt it's coming. I won't buy a diesel car again.though.

[mike9009]

robbieduncan said:

I've said for over a year I won't buy another IC car as a normal car. I don't even really see the point in a hybrid. We'll do what we can to make our ageing BMW last until EVs are the size and cost I want.

I 'think' this is the approach I will be taking. I will just keep my ICE car until EVs are at a price/ usability point I will make the switch. I might be waiting a few years but I am not in a rush to change anyway. Hence no dealer/ manufacturer will be getting my cash for a few years yet.

[robbieduncan]

Pica-Pica said:

Ignoring charging/refuelling, EVs have to hold 100% of their power, ICE only need to hold 25% (the rest is supplied by oxygen). EVs have a long way to go to be fully usable.

An EV would be fine for us now. OK when I drive Harrogate to Aberdeen it would take a little planning but that's the longest trip we do and it's once or twice a year. We already plan carefully to stop at nicer places that are good for the kids so planning around charger availability would not be that different (fingers crossed the overlap between nice and charger availability is good). I don't actually need a leap forwards in range. I would be fine with the 200-300 miles that a Tesla can provide. But I want it in estate car form and to buy second hand for < £20k.

[Sheepshanks]

Frimley111R said:

I manage/own an EV charger installation company so whilst I am on the inside in that sub sector, beyond that I'm probably about the same level as you in terms of cars.

Bearing n mind what you do, it’s almost ironic that you don’t already drive an EV.


More generally, my wife, who takes no interest in cars whatsoever, has mentioned them a couple of times recently - ‘mentioning’ things usual means I’m being softened up.

[CABC]

many will be hanging back as this is classic early stage tech. infrastructure lagging, each month brings new advances and resale values not proven. the wave has certainly started though.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Turn7 said:

Im really curious to see how well any these early EV's age.

I can forsee cars being written off as batteries and associated controller/black boxes fail and cost crazy money to replace.

I have no idea if this is even true or possible - maybe even clickbait, but its how I see things moving forward initially....

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvgxqp/worn-out...

Batteries wont be a problem, most have an 8 year warranty, and there will be good money in third parties reconditioning battery packs in the same way there are indies that can repair DSG boxes etc

the early tesla's did have a very cheap and small SD card that because of the huge amounts of data Tesla where logging on early cars could exceed their designed write limit and die. It is reasonably easy to fix and i believe wont happen with latter cars.

[DanL]

Pica-Pica said:

Ignoring charging/refuelling, EVs have to hold 100% of their power, ICE only need to hold 25% (the rest is supplied by oxygen). EVs have a long way to go to be fully usable.

This ignores the relative efficiency of the engines - a petrol engine may only use 25-35% of the energy produced to move the car, compared with a much higher percentage for an electric motor. I’m sure the differing efficiencies don’t bring them to parity and that the petrol engine car still has the advantage, but I’m not sure it’s as stark an advantage as your statistic would suggest...