ALF are not ALF enough.
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Tannedbaldhead

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3,135 posts

156 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/15/monkeys-scream-pain...

I reckon that if u can get access to people involved in this sort of thing you have a moral obligation to take action to a point where you not only abhor others but take action to the point where you abhor and traumatise yourself.

anonymous-user

78 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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Tannedbaldhead said:
https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/15/monkeys-scream-pain...

I reckon that if u can get access to people involved in this sort of thing you have a moral obligation to take action to a point where you not only abhor others but take action to the point where you abhor and traumatise yourself.
Speechless. frown

SHutchinson

2,286 posts

208 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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That was upsetting to read.

Last Visit

3,356 posts

212 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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SHutchinson said:
That was upsetting to read.
Wasn't it just. Horrible.

Tannedbaldhead

Original Poster:

3,135 posts

156 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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SHutchinson said:
That was upsetting to read.
Try watching the video.


otolith

65,920 posts

228 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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If they are breaking German and European law as described, and the footage indeed originates from where and when the activists say it does, they need the book throwing at them.

anonymous-user

78 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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Tannedbaldhead said:
SHutchinson said:
That was upsetting to read.
Try watching the video.
Personally I couldn't and I have seen some terrible things.

The pictures were enough but I can imagine it's pretty horrendous.

handpaper

1,616 posts

227 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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The monkeys are being handled so as to minimise the risk of bites, scratches etc. It isn't pleasant to watch, any more than it is to do, but it's being done because the law requires it.
Testing on simians is expensive and tightly regulated, it doesn't happen without a good reason.

The rules around the use of dogs and cats are only slightly less stringent - and most of the animals shown look healthy and reasonably happy.

TBH, both you and the ALF are (ironically) barking up the wrong tree. If you really want an end to in-vivo testing, lobby for changes in the law. Because drug companies are not staffed by mini-Mengeles trying to cause as much suffering per furry victim as possible, they're complying with the legislation passed by Governments of all stripes over the last several decades. Furthermore, because of the cost, bureaucracy and trauma of animal testing, they've also been very active in developing alternatives and pressing for their use.

If this lab has been causing unnecessary suffering the law will come down on it and its employees like the proverbial tonne of bricks, if not, this story will go the way of so many other 'scandals' over the years.
Either way, no-one needs ill-informed keyboard vigilantes or actual terrorists threatening people's lives.

Edited by handpaper on Tuesday 15th October 21:33

peterperkins

3,354 posts

266 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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Now I eat animals for food as we humans have always done.
OK I don't chase and hunt/kill them myself nowadays, Tescos, or the farmer does it.

But, that looks completely unacceptable. I wonder what they are testing and for whom?
I doubt Max Factor, Mcdonalds or anyone of a similar ilk would want to have any links with that.

Imagine the publicity st storm coming someones way very soon.

Interesting cross post with handpaper and a sensible point made.

handpaper

1,616 posts

227 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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Rereading the OP, I think he's calling for action such as making and disseminating the linked video, rather than attacking scientists.
Apologies if this is the case.
The ALF, on the other hand...

Newky Brown

1,662 posts

252 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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handpaper said:
The rules around the use of dogs and cats are only slightly less stringent - and most of the animals shown look healthy and reasonably happy.

Edited by handpaper on Tuesday 15th October 21:33
Happy? Really? Lying in their own blood and crying out having chemicals forced down their throats?

You,re either watching a different video or need to go to Specsavers.

carl_w

10,518 posts

282 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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peterperkins said:
But, that looks completely unacceptable. I wonder what they are testing and for whom?
I doubt Max Factor, Mcdonalds or anyone of a similar ilk would want to have any links with that.
As per the article "pharmaceutical, industrial and agro-chemical companies", so not cosmetics or food companies.

anonymous-user

78 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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Newky Brown said:
handpaper said:
The rules around the use of dogs and cats are only slightly less stringent - and most of the animals shown look healthy and reasonably happy.

Edited by handpaper on Tuesday 15th October 21:33
Happy? Really? Lying in their own blood and crying out having chemicals forced down their throats?

You,re either watching a different video or need to go to Specsavers.
I saw one dog that looked like it had been passing a lot of blood. It didn't look healthy to me.