Put someone's mind at rest...
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vx220

Original Poster:

2,725 posts

263 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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A friend is leaving a job due to a toxic environment. They have put in their notice, agreed a leave date, but due to the environment getting even more toxic their planning to walk out sooner.

However, they are worried about the employer withholding their P45 and taking them to court for not working their notice.

I feel this is unlikely. Can anyone put their mind at rest?

Thanks in advance

Edited by vx220 on Wednesday 16th October 21:21

slipstream 1985

13,747 posts

208 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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In my opinion always work the notice period and never burn any bridges. If you know you are getting out that can be enough to get you through short of direct bullying.

Alex Z

2,061 posts

105 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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How much notice are we talking about?
It would be a shame if they were ill or injured and unable to go in to work.

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

159 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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I don’t think they can withhold the P45 and I think that HMRC can force them to send it

Unlikely they would go to court, it would cost them loads and in the small claims court you don’t get your costs back, they would also have to prove what they actually lost, which is nothing.

I left a job with a 2 months notice period in my contract but actually left after a week. They said they where disappointed and did not accept my weeks notice but did sweet FA when I gave the car back and left.

FWIW

3,921 posts

126 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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Wouldn’t worry about the P45.
Does he have any holiday left?
Failing that, phone in sick.

Muzzer79

13,021 posts

216 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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If it’s that bad....

1. Go to Doctor

2. Inform Doctor that you feel unwell due to toxic work environment, which is really stressing you out.

3. Doctor signs you off due to stress at work

This is tougher to spin if your notice period is 6 months rather than 4 weeks.....

Sir Bagalot

7,074 posts

210 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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I had a toxic environment and quit with a 3 month notice period.

It got worse. A lot worse. With a month left I should have walked and regret not doing so.

In my situation everyone was great except my manager. They were a right .

vx220

Original Poster:

2,725 posts

263 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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Sir Bagalot said:
In my situation everyone was great except my manager. They were a right .
This is the same situation!

Thanks for everyone's replies.




FWIW

3,921 posts

126 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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please let us know what happens

vx220

Original Poster:

2,725 posts

263 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Will do...

Jasandjules

72,560 posts

258 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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What is the period of notice? What is the seniority of the employee?

It may be sensible to engage in exit discussions....

cossy400

3,461 posts

213 months

Sunday 20th October 2019
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Carnt help with your question.

But ive just left a job for the exact same reasons, and just tell your friend to hold out, im having the best nights sleep since i left where i was.

But my notice was only 2 weeks, but it was 2 weeks of HR asking me why i was leaving and it was a shame to see me go etc.

Load of bull, they didnt even send my acknowledgement of resignation until my last shift on the Fri as they were convinced id be talked round.




ruggedscotty

5,989 posts

238 months

Sunday 20th October 2019
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work the notice,

what ever you do don't get signed off on stress, that can come back to haunt you later. employers as soon as they here stress....

as said Id work my notice, what can they really do to you anyways ? once your getting out your one the way out. just smile and walk away when ever someone gives ya st. any emails you get from your boss that's questionable, cc in those that matter in the company etc etc.

once you hand in that notice its game over, nothing really matters at that place your mind is for the future and what can they do to you from that point onwards. you have all the cards now.

eliot

11,995 posts

283 months

Sunday 20th October 2019
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Or simply speak to your manager and see if you can negotiate a quicker exit - unless you are a key man or in the middle of delivering something that you need to handover they may well let you go sooner.
pulling sickies and related shenanigans will catchup with you sooner or later.