should we accept Boris WA.
Poll: should we accept Boris WA.
Total Members Polled: 373
Discussion
Yes, yes another Brexity thread, but I thought it would be interesting to take a sample of remainders and leavers.
I've been a staunch Brexiteer since before the referendum and I think a clean break would have been more beneficial in the long run.
However, I am prepared to accept it, with all its faults, it still gets us out of SM, CU and free from ECJ, which meets my 3 criteria.
I've been a staunch Brexiteer since before the referendum and I think a clean break would have been more beneficial in the long run.
However, I am prepared to accept it, with all its faults, it still gets us out of SM, CU and free from ECJ, which meets my 3 criteria.
digimeistter said:
Yes, yes another Brexity thread, but I thought it would be interesting to take a sample of remainders and leavers.
I've been a staunch Brexiteer since before the referendum and I think a clean break would have been more beneficial in the long run.
However, I am prepared to accept it, with all its faults, it still gets us out of SM, CU and free from ECJ, which meets my 3 criteria.
I really don't think either side will be celebrating this treaty.I've been a staunch Brexiteer since before the referendum and I think a clean break would have been more beneficial in the long run.
However, I am prepared to accept it, with all its faults, it still gets us out of SM, CU and free from ECJ, which meets my 3 criteria.
Leave voters are basically being told this is the last chance for the 2016 referendum result to be implemented. We were told that after May's deal.
But I very much doubt that Boris would leave with no-deal. I am starting to think he was just another May stating he would do it.
It's basically 80% May's treaty and I would rather it went to a General Election.
The Conservatives have lost my vote.
k but not of the epic proportions it's turned out to be. Time to move on to other things. ELUSIVEJIM said:
digimeistter said:
Yes, yes another Brexity thread, but I thought it would be interesting to take a sample of remainders and leavers.
I've been a staunch Brexiteer since before the referendum and I think a clean break would have been more beneficial in the long run.
However, I am prepared to accept it, with all its faults, it still gets us out of SM, CU and free from ECJ, which meets my 3 criteria.
I really don't think either side will be celebrating this treaty.I've been a staunch Brexiteer since before the referendum and I think a clean break would have been more beneficial in the long run.
However, I am prepared to accept it, with all its faults, it still gets us out of SM, CU and free from ECJ, which meets my 3 criteria.
Leave voters are basically being told this is the last chance for the 2016 referendum result to be implemented. We were told that after May's deal.
But I very much doubt that Boris would leave with no-deal. I am starting to think he was just another May stating he would do it.
It's basically 80% May's treaty and I would rather it went to a General Election.
The Conservatives have lost my vote.
I don't think any side were ever going to be happy so at least this deal is one that can hopefully start to put the bad feelings behind us and allow us to start to unite.
digimeistter said:
I agree, neither will celebrate it, but maybe I am suffering from Brexit fatigue, as a business owner I just want it done.
Sadly it look like this is the best we are going to get - for now.
Totally get it. Pretty sick of what we have been witnessing these past three years. Business-wise as you say we really need to have more certainty.Sadly it look like this is the best we are going to get - for now.
But it's a treaty which is like a field full of mines. A trap in many aspects.
May's deal was so bad according to many and it's really hasn't changed enough to make it even acceptable. Yes, the backstop has gone but that's about it.
I am all for accepting that we were never going to get the "perfect deal" but I just think Boris has sold out.
digimeistter said:
Yes, yes another Brexity thread, but I thought it would be interesting to take a sample of remainders and leavers.
I've been a staunch Brexiteer since before the referendum and I think a clean break would have been more beneficial in the long run.
However, I am prepared to accept it, with all its faults, it still gets us out of SM, CU and free from ECJ, which meets my 3 criteria.
The same. Once I realised most MP’s were non democratic scum this was the best I could hope for. A united cross party front between con/lab with no deal firmly left on the table from the outset would have got us a cracking deal from the EU. Will never forgive labour for this. I've been a staunch Brexiteer since before the referendum and I think a clean break would have been more beneficial in the long run.
However, I am prepared to accept it, with all its faults, it still gets us out of SM, CU and free from ECJ, which meets my 3 criteria.
Yes.
It's worse than what we currently have by staying in the EU but that was known before the vote. It's the least bad option and allows the country to be less screwed than if we had no deal whilst also appeasing a lot of leave voters who just want out regardless. Democracy and all that.
It's worse than what we currently have by staying in the EU but that was known before the vote. It's the least bad option and allows the country to be less screwed than if we had no deal whilst also appeasing a lot of leave voters who just want out regardless. Democracy and all that.
paulw123 said:
The same. Once I realised most MP’s were non democratic scum this was the best I could hope for. A united cross party front between con/lab with no deal firmly left on the table from the outset would have got us a cracking deal from the EU. Will never forgive labour for this.
How can you possible blame Labour for the Conservatives absolute shambles of a Brexit.
Yes for me. No deal will ever please all the MPs.
I think it’s embarrassing the behaviour of our Parliament and for me there seems to be obvious that a lot of MPs never accepted the referendum result. Where they united and worked together with the government for the last 3 years we would have had a much better deal. Instead it’s short term personal interests made the mess we are in.
In short the Brexit doesn’t matter because it’s been used as an excuse for:
Sturgeon - wants indyref2
Corbyn - not sure what he wants as keeps being evasive about a firm commitment but I assume he wants to stay in a power position and maybe PM
Swinson - makes no secret her party is the Remaining party and would revoke A50 tomorrow if she could.
It’s just silly. I can understand a second referendum for choosing existing deal or no deal but not one to ask if we want to leave. That has been asked and yes we want to leave.
I want the parliament to starting dealing with other pending issues and move on from the Brexit... waste of 3.5 years. Let’s get Brexit done and move on. Can be in this limbo forerever and ever just because someone doesn’t want to leave or wants to leave but also wants the cake and eat it!!
I think it’s embarrassing the behaviour of our Parliament and for me there seems to be obvious that a lot of MPs never accepted the referendum result. Where they united and worked together with the government for the last 3 years we would have had a much better deal. Instead it’s short term personal interests made the mess we are in.
In short the Brexit doesn’t matter because it’s been used as an excuse for:
Sturgeon - wants indyref2
Corbyn - not sure what he wants as keeps being evasive about a firm commitment but I assume he wants to stay in a power position and maybe PM
Swinson - makes no secret her party is the Remaining party and would revoke A50 tomorrow if she could.
It’s just silly. I can understand a second referendum for choosing existing deal or no deal but not one to ask if we want to leave. That has been asked and yes we want to leave.
I want the parliament to starting dealing with other pending issues and move on from the Brexit... waste of 3.5 years. Let’s get Brexit done and move on. Can be in this limbo forerever and ever just because someone doesn’t want to leave or wants to leave but also wants the cake and eat it!!
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