320i M Sport winter wheels
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Hi, new to the BMW section as just bought '68 plate 320i M Sport (shadow). Looking at the beautiful 19" alloys and with winter approaching I thought I would get a 2nd hand set of winter alloys with winter tyres. Having looked on fleabay I see mention that some will fit 3/4 series except larger blue M Sport brakes as the ones on mine. Is there a certain size I should be looking for? What do folks run as winter wheels, don't want to spend lots as they're just to see out a few bad months.Thanks in advance for any advice.
I'm going through exactly the same exercise at the moment. Have a look here:
https://www.mrwinterwheels.co.uk/bmw-winter-wheels...
https://www.mrwinterwheels.co.uk/bmw-winter-wheels...
SteBrown91 said:
If you have the shadow edition you will have the bigger msport brakes so I think the smallest size you can fit is 18 inch.
It is the msport spec that brings the larger brakes; shadow is just the external trim level that usually comes with msport, and is the black side window surround.If you have the msport brakes, then normally 18” Is the smallest you can go.
I have just gone down from 19” to 18” on a 335d to improve the ride. Looking at it, you could possibly squeeze a 17” on, but it is not recommended. Neither would I try it, as the clearance to the calipers would be minimal and would trap small stones.
Remember with winters you need a square set up (same size rim width and tyre width front and rear). Also you cannot get wide tyres in winter treads.
Check with that square set-up what rim width AND rim profile you need (especially in the case of run flats). Also check the wheel offsets.
If you need winter tyres, I personally would get a decent set of wheels, that would allow you to use them for 4 to 6 months of the year, depending what your local temperatures are.
Edited by Pica-Pica on Wednesday 30th October 12:37
Pica-Pica said:
It is the msport spec that brings the larger brakes; shadow is just the external trim level that usually comes with msport, and is the black side window surround.
If you have the msport brakes, then normally 18” Is the smallest you can go.
I have just gone down from 19” to 18” on a 335d to improve the ride. Looking at it, you could possibly squeeze a 17” on, but it is not recommended. Neither would I try it, as the clearance to the calipers would be minimal and would trap small stones.
Remember with winters you need a square set up (same size rim width and tyre width front and rear). Also you cannot get wide tyres in winter treads.
Check with that square set-up what rim width AND rim profile you need (especially in the case of run flats). Also check the wheel offsets.
Unfortunately you are wrong. On smaller engine cars they have smaller brakes, even m sport. It’s only 33xx cars that have the bigger brakes as standard.If you have the msport brakes, then normally 18” Is the smallest you can go.
I have just gone down from 19” to 18” on a 335d to improve the ride. Looking at it, you could possibly squeeze a 17” on, but it is not recommended. Neither would I try it, as the clearance to the calipers would be minimal and would trap small stones.
Remember with winters you need a square set up (same size rim width and tyre width front and rear). Also you cannot get wide tyres in winter treads.
Check with that square set-up what rim width AND rim profile you need (especially in the case of run flats). Also check the wheel offsets.
Edited by Pica-Pica on Wednesday 30th October 12:34
SteBrown91 said:
Pica-Pica said:
It is the msport spec that brings the larger brakes; shadow is just the external trim level that usually comes with msport, and is the black side window surround.
If you have the msport brakes, then normally 18” Is the smallest you can go.
I have just gone down from 19” to 18” on a 335d to improve the ride. Looking at it, you could possibly squeeze a 17” on, but it is not recommended. Neither would I try it, as the clearance to the calipers would be minimal and would trap small stones.
Remember with winters you need a square set up (same size rim width and tyre width front and rear). Also you cannot get wide tyres in winter treads.
Check with that square set-up what rim width AND rim profile you need (especially in the case of run flats). Also check the wheel offsets.
Unfortunately you are wrong. On smaller engine cars they have smaller brakes, even m sport. It’s only 33xx cars that have the bigger brakes as standard.If you have the msport brakes, then normally 18” Is the smallest you can go.
I have just gone down from 19” to 18” on a 335d to improve the ride. Looking at it, you could possibly squeeze a 17” on, but it is not recommended. Neither would I try it, as the clearance to the calipers would be minimal and would trap small stones.
Remember with winters you need a square set up (same size rim width and tyre width front and rear). Also you cannot get wide tyres in winter treads.
Check with that square set-up what rim width AND rim profile you need (especially in the case of run flats). Also check the wheel offsets.
Edited by Pica-Pica on Wednesday 30th October 12:34
Pica-Pica said:
Remember with winters you need a square set up (same size rim width and tyre width front and rear). Also you cannot get wide tyres in winter treads.
Not true either- I have a non square set up using the same size and style wheels as standard (secondhand).Edited by Pica-Pica on Wednesday 30th October 12:37
Not sure what you are defining wide as but mine are 235/40/18 on rear and 225/40/18 on front.
Edited by craig1912 on Wednesday 30th October 14:17
Pica-Pica said:
Remember with winters you need a square set up (same size rim width and tyre width front and rear). Also you cannot get wide tyres in winter treads.
Where do you get this info?!Edited by Pica-Pica on Wednesday 30th October 12:37
I've run both staggered and square set up winter tyres with zero issues (ie. 18x8 and 18x9 alloys with their corresponding tyres)
Fully agree though; a square set up is easier, but it's not a necessity
d_a_n1979 said:
Pica-Pica said:
Remember with winters you need a square set up (same size rim width and tyre width front and rear). Also you cannot get wide tyres in winter treads.
Where do you get this info?!Edited by Pica-Pica on Wednesday 30th October 12:37
I've run both staggered and square set up winter tyres with zero issues (ie. 18x8 and 18x9 alloys with their corresponding tyres)
Fully agree though; a square set up is easier, but it's not a necessity
craig1912 said:
Pica-Pica said:
Remember with winters you need a square set up (same size rim width and tyre width front and rear). Also you cannot get wide tyres in winter treads.
Not true either- I have a non square set up using the same size and style wheels as standard (secondhand).Edited by Pica-Pica on Wednesday 30th October 12:37
Not sure what you are defining wide as but mine are 235/40/18 on rear and 225/40/18 on front.
Edited by craig1912 on Wednesday 30th October 14:17
I would define wide as 245 or wider.
I don't know the answer to any of the OPs questions, but as has bee suggested the sticker inside the driver's door is the best place to start.
I've been putting winters on my BMWs for the last 5 years, but never really found out how good they were until last year when the Beast from the East arrived - mine were just fantastic.
So if you want to be able to get around in snow in an RWD BMW they are definitely worth getting!
Thankfully when I bought my E90 3 Series it came on summers with a complete set of winters.
I've been putting winters on my BMWs for the last 5 years, but never really found out how good they were until last year when the Beast from the East arrived - mine were just fantastic.
So if you want to be able to get around in snow in an RWD BMW they are definitely worth getting!
Thankfully when I bought my E90 3 Series it came on summers with a complete set of winters.
Pica-Pica said:
What is the point of 235 and 225? Barely any difference!
I would define wide as 245 or wider.
Because there very few who manufacture 245, and 225 are not a good fit on the standard wheel so 235 it has to be (on the standard wheels). Nothing wrong with square or staggered set up but the wider rears will give better grip in the wet which in the UK is more often than in snow.I would define wide as 245 or wider.
Vroomer said:
I'm going through exactly the same exercise at the moment. Have a look here:
https://www.mrwinterwheels.co.uk/bmw-winter-wheels...
I've just bought a set of winters for my M140 from Mr Winter Wheels - fantastic service and all wheels on there are TUV rated (they are part of the company that is the UK importer for Borbet, Ronal, etc., so you are buying pretty much straight from the distributor)https://www.mrwinterwheels.co.uk/bmw-winter-wheels...
For second hand, worth also looking at BM Autosport - I bought my previous set of winter wheels for my E91 from there.
For winter wheels, I'd recommend getting 17" so you have more sidewall. As others have said, you don't need a square set up, but it helps because you can alternate the fronts and rears each year to even out wear.
craig1912 said:
Because there very few who manufacture 245, and 225 are not a good fit on the standard wheel so 235 it has to be (on the standard wheels). Nothing wrong with square or staggered set up but the wider rears will give better grip in the wet which in the UK is more often than in snow.
245 18”? Plenty of manufacturers make them, and 19”. REALIST123 said:
245 18”? Plenty of manufacturers make them, and 19”.
The standard fit on mine is 245/35/18. Currently Black Circles (for instance) shows only one tyre at £360 ish which is why I went for 235/40/18 which gives a far bigger choice much much cheaper £130ish.Yes plenty make 245’s, of course they do but not in 35 profile.
Edited by craig1912 on Thursday 31st October 09:30
market for anything. E-bmw said:
Really?
Camskill show 39 from £45 to £215.
Tyres-guru show 43 from £61 to £226
Seems to be plenty out there.
Of course there are if you aren’t bothered about wheel size or profile.Camskill show 39 from £45 to £215.
Tyres-guru show 43 from £61 to £226
Seems to be plenty out there.
Camskill show one for 245/35/18, Tyre guru show three and apart from the Toyo they are all over £250.
Search for a 235/40/18 and there are loads at decent prices
Apologies if I wasn’t clear! and for the record I wasn’t referring to a 320i I was commenting on the statement re staggered set up and wide tyres!
Edited by craig1912 on Thursday 31st October 09:56
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