Foie gras ban... ?

[21TonyK]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-5025476...

Ethical or not? Yes its nice but not that amazing, happily live without but is it anyone elses business when people ignore the wholesale slaughter of calves in the dairy industry or maie chicks in poultry?

Smacks a bit of double standards to me.

[untakenname]

I think it's a good thing, had it once and expected it to taste nice considering how much if an effort it is to produce but it tasted vile (I don't like Pates).

I also find it's quite ironic that the USA is banning an EU product on ethical grounds considering the outcry at the moment about clorinated chicken after Brexit.

[castex]

They'll have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

[hyphen]

21TonyK said:

is it anyone elses business when people ignore the wholesale slaughter of calves in the dairy industry or maie chicks in poultry?

Smacks a bit of double standards to me.

Is instant death comparable to 2 or more weeks of sticking a tube into an animal and force feeding it? As that article says happens.

Also it's only males, so female ducklings also killed.

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 31st October 22:19

[djc206]

hyphen said:

Is instant death comparable to 2 or more weeks of sticking a tube into an animal and force feeding it? As that article says happens.

Also it's only males, so female ducklings also killed.

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 31st October 22:19

The article says foie gras in NY State is mostly farmed without force feeding the ducks.

As always the sensible thing to do would be to legislate that all foie gras was produced in an ethical manner but that wouldn’t satisfy the professionally outraged so a ban it is. Meanwhile the religious minorities in New York will continue to slaughter unstunned animals by slitting their throats and letting them bleed out because God told them to and that’s perfectly fine because believing such nonsense is a constitutionally protected right.

[Pinoyuk]

To hell with people trying to stop others from eating stuff .As for the whole ethical issue . Its all white middle class first world drama as usual .

[anonymous-user]

Pinoyuk said:

To hell with people trying to stop others from eating stuff .As for the whole ethical issue . Its all white middle class first world drama as usual .

It’s not a middle class 1st world issue at all. You either care about animal welfare or you don’t give a st.

[thebraketester]

garyhun said:

Pinoyuk said:

To hell with people trying to stop others from eating stuff .As for the whole ethical issue . Its all white middle class first world drama as usual .

It’s not a middle class 1st world issue at all. You either care about animal welfare or you don’t give a st.

In that case (as mentioned above) halal meat also needs to be banned. I do agree with you, animal welfare really should be at the forefront of the meat industry.

[hyphen]

djc206 said:

Meanwhile the religious minorities in New York will continue to slaughter unstunned animals by slitting their throats and letting them bleed out because God told them to and that’s perfectly fine because believing such nonsense is a constitutionally protected right.

Two different cases? Fois Gras is a treat food, meat is pretty essential (vegans get lost ) and the religious types are indoctrinated for life on this front.

Banning Halal or Kosher would be like the prohibition of alcohol, wouldn't work, and would get nasty. Also isn't most if not all of halal and kosher stunned first? So the animal is out of it.

I'm sure Fois Gras will continue underground but most won't care.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 1st November 08:55

[djc206]

hyphen said:

Two different cases? Fois Gras is a treat food, meat is pretty essential (vegans get lost ) and the religious types are indoctrinated for life on this front.

Banning Halal or Kosher would be like the prohibition of alcohol, wouldn't work, and would get nasty. Also isn't most if not all of halal and kosher stunned first? So the animal is out of it.

I'm sure Fois Gras will continue underground but most won't care.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 1st November 08:55

Food is the state religion of France!

In the UK yes I believe most are stunned, happy to be corrected if I’m wrong. In New York State a very brief bit of research tells me they only stun if they fail to completely sever one of the arteries on their first attempt.

I just don’t like it when the professionally outraged can’t be bothered to challenge the real issues and instead just go for the low hanging fruit.

[hyphen]

djc206 said:

I just don’t like it when the professionally outraged can’t be bothered to challenge the real issues and instead just go for the low hanging fruit.

I just looked up the councilorl who sponsored this bill.

Leftie who has made a career on the non-profit gravy train, lives(d) in a US council house which she got when on a low income and was refusing to leave, owns other properties. Hubby is also on charity gravy train and his dad has a Yacht.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlina_Rivera

https://nypost.com/2017/09/12/section-8-candidate-...

Edited by hyphen on Friday 1st November 09:15

[ZedLeg]

djc206 said:

As always the sensible thing to do would be to legislate that all foie gras was produced in an ethical manner but that wouldn’t satisfy the professionally outraged so a ban it is.

How do you ethically produce something that involves feeding an animal in a way that gives it fatty liver?

[grumbledoak]

ZedLeg said:

How do you ethically produce something that involves feeding an animal in a way that gives it fatty liver?

They happily do that to themselves before migrating. Humans do it year round.

[CzechItOut]

djc206 said:

I just don’t like it when the professionally outraged can’t be bothered to challenge the real issues and instead just go for the low hanging fruit.

That is a strange comment.

I am sure the professionally outraged, as you so politely call them, are equally disgusted with unstunned slaughter and the death of day old animals who "have no value" to the dairy and poultry industries, as they are with fois gras.

However, the forces behind unstunned slaughter and the death of millions of worthless animals is likely to be fair greater than the fois gras industry, so you choose your battles.

Can you imagine the outcry for example, if the dairy industry was forced to treat male dairy calves with anything less than utter contempt and in turn it forced up the price of a pint of milk?

[ZedLeg]

grumbledoak said:

ZedLeg said:

How do you ethically produce something that involves feeding an animal in a way that gives it fatty liver?

They happily do that to themselves before migrating. Humans do it year round.

It's not really the same though is it? They then use that fat to help them fly thousands of miles. They wouldn't naturally do it sitting in a pen.

[feef]

I remember seeing a farm on a family holiday years ago where they raised gees for foie gras. What struck me was how they ran up to the farmer to be fed and didn't seem to bother having that tube stuck down their throat. Weird and I suppose from a human perspective it appears cruel, but they didn't seem phased. I'd have expected if they felt it unpleasant or uncomfortable it would have been more 'forced'

[grumbledoak]

feef said:

I remember seeing a farm on a family holiday years ago where they raised gees for foie gras. What struck me was how they ran up to the farmer to be fed and didn't seem to bother having that tube stuck down their throat. Weird and I suppose from a human perspective it appears cruel, but they didn't seem phased. I'd have expected if they felt it unpleasant or uncomfortable it would have been more 'forced'

You can find videos of them doing this. They won't be the ones PETA are pushing.

In the end these people don't care about animal welfare or truth. They have chosen a belief that makes them feel superior to those who do not hold it, and now want to force their views on those others.

It is a religion.

[hyphen]

feef said:

I remember seeing a farm on a family holiday years ago where they raised gees for foie gras. What struck me was how they ran up to the farmer to be fed and didn't seem to bother having that tube stuck down their throat. Weird and I suppose from a human perspective it appears cruel, but they didn't seem phased. I'd have expected if they felt it unpleasant or uncomfortable it would have been more 'forced'

Is it just normal food? Or do they out in any addictive stuff like Sugar. As you would imagine if they have been fed multiple times a day, would be less enthusiastic.

If not and they are greedy gits who will take a tube, then does seem less an issue.

[Caddyshack]

You can get free range fois gras and the birds do indeed run up to be fed. It also tastes very nice to me.

If we all stopped eating animals I suspect the world would be a better place but I do not like the idea of giving up meat - I guess that makes me selfish.

[djc206]

ZedLeg said:

How do you ethically produce something that involves feeding an animal in a way that gives it fatty liver?

Most animals like humans will gladly eat as much as they’re given. If a duck is happy to consume massive amounts of corn which gives it a fatty liver I don’t really see any grounds for complaint.