New Rules regarding mobile phone?

[fatboy18]

Fully understand why the rule has been Introduced ----But how does a Camera taking a picture of the driver touching a mobile phone on the windscreen know its a phone and not a satnav or Ipod (music and maps only)?
If a camera takes a photo of a Sat Nav in a windscreen and one receives a NIP What would be the procedure to appeal?
Is it ok to have the phone or Device mounted on a windscreen mount without actually touching it?

6 POINTS AND A £200 Fine + Insurance implications is a big amount of money, So I want to explain to my Kids exactly what is and is not legal.

Can someone post up a link to the Actual wording of this new law, thanks.


2nd question.....Are CB Radios still legal? A driver hasto remove his of her hands from the steering wheel, pick up handset which is attached by a lead, squeeze trigger on handset to talk?
They are still used widely by Truck drivers. Just wondering if the law has changed in their use?

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 1st November 10:15

[Caddyshack]

Good point.

And what if you had a CB lead and handset connected to your phone to talk in to or could operate the functionality of the phone? Maybe I should make one.

[untakenname]

In Australia they mount the cameras up high with multiple lenses https://www.driving.co.uk/news/cameras-catch-drive...


Think Cab's are still exempt though if you get pulled over you may have to prove it wasn't a phone.

[spikyone]

fatboy18 said:

Fully understand why the rule has been Introduced ----But how does a Camera taking a picture of the driver touching a mobile phone on the windscreen know its a phone and not a satnav or Ipod (music and maps only)?
If a camera takes a photo of a Sat Nav in a windscreen and one receives a NIP What would be the procedure to appeal?
Is it ok to have the phone or Device mounted on a windscreen mount without actually touching it?

6 POINTS AND A £200 Fine + Insurance implications is a big amount of money, So I want to explain to my Kids exactly what is and is not legal.

Can someone post up a link to the Actual wording of this new law, thanks.


2nd question.....Are CB Radios still legal? A driver hasto remove his of her hands from the steering wheel, pick up handset which is attached by a lead, squeeze trigger on handset to talk?
They are still used widely by Truck drivers. Just wondering if the law has changed in their use?

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 1st November 10:15

Assuming the phone is attached to the windscreen (or some other part of the car), isn't it legal to use it however and whenever you want? Obviously subject to being in full control of the car. Phone attached to car = legal to use. Phone being used whilst you're holding it = not legal. The 'using it as a camera/dictaphone' thing is just a loophole.

For the benefit of your kids, just tell them not to use their phone whilst driving. Or fit their car with a Bluetooth connection.

[fatboy18]

untakenname said:

In Australia they mount the cameras up high with multiple lenses https://www.driving.co.uk/news/cameras-catch-drive...


Think Cab's are still exempt though if you get pulled over you may have to prove it wasn't a phone.

They are saying on the Radio that you will not necessarily get pulled over,it will simply be a NIP in the post!

[Drumroll]

fatboy18 said:

Fully understand why the rule has been Introduced ----But how does a Camera taking a picture of the driver touching a mobile phone on the windscreen know its a phone and not a satnav or Ipod (music and maps only)?
If a camera takes a photo of a Sat Nav in a windscreen and one receives a NIP What would be the procedure to appeal?
Is it ok to have the phone or Device mounted on a windscreen mount without actually touching it?

6 POINTS AND A £200 Fine + Insurance implications is a big amount of money, So I want to explain to my Kids exactly what is and is not legal.

Can someone post up a link to the Actual wording of this new law, thanks.


2nd question.....Are CB Radios still legal? A driver hasto remove his of her hands from the steering wheel, pick up handset which is attached by a lead, squeeze trigger on handset to talk?
They are still used widely by Truck drivers. Just wondering if the law has changed in their use?

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 1st November 10:15

The best thing to teach them is phone in pocket/bag whilst driving. Saves any ambiguity and more importantly is the safe thing to do.

[fatboy18]

spikyone said:

fatboy18 said:

Fully understand why the rule has been Introduced ----But how does a Camera taking a picture of the driver touching a mobile phone on the windscreen know its a phone and not a satnav or Ipod (music and maps only)?
If a camera takes a photo of a Sat Nav in a windscreen and one receives a NIP What would be the procedure to appeal?
Is it ok to have the phone or Device mounted on a windscreen mount without actually touching it?

6 POINTS AND A £200 Fine + Insurance implications is a big amount of money, So I want to explain to my Kids exactly what is and is not legal.

Can someone post up a link to the Actual wording of this new law, thanks.


2nd question.....Are CB Radios still legal? A driver hasto remove his of her hands from the steering wheel, pick up handset which is attached by a lead, squeeze trigger on handset to talk?
They are still used widely by Truck drivers. Just wondering if the law has changed in their use?

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 1st November 10:15

Assuming the phone is attached to the windscreen (or some other part of the car), isn't it legal to use it however and whenever you want? Obviously subject to being in full control of the car. Phone attached to car = legal to use. Phone being used whilst you're holding it = not legal. The 'using it as a camera/dictaphone' thing is just a loophole.

For the benefit of your kids, just tell them not to use their phone whilst driving. Or fit their car with a Bluetooth connection.

I am not sure if is legal now to use any part of the device even if it is mounted in a windscreen mount or other mount?

Just been on the DVLA Website.....Here's another little snippet they have slipped in.
If you passed your test within 2 years your licence will be taken away and you will have to take your test again!

So the Insurance companies will be having a field day with this new rule......

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 1st November 10:35

[deggles]

fatboy18 said:

I am not sure if is legal now to use any part of the device even if it is mounted in a windscreen mount or other mount?

Nothing has changed. DfT appear to have announced a proposal to change the law regarding use of hand-held devices, nothing more. You can still, and always could, legally use a hands-free device (whether or not you should is a separate argument).

fatboy18 said:

Just been on the DVLA Website.....Here's another little snippet they have slipped in.
If you passed your test within 2 years your licence will be taken away and you will have to take your test again!

So the Insurance companies will be having a field day with this new rule......

Again, nothing has changed. Any new drivers accruing six points in the first two years means an automatic ban/re-test.

[fatboy18]

Drumroll said:

fatboy18 said:

Fully understand why the rule has been Introduced ----But how does a Camera taking a picture of the driver touching a mobile phone on the windscreen know its a phone and not a satnav or Ipod (music and maps only)?
If a camera takes a photo of a Sat Nav in a windscreen and one receives a NIP What would be the procedure to appeal?
Is it ok to have the phone or Device mounted on a windscreen mount without actually touching it?

6 POINTS AND A £200 Fine + Insurance implications is a big amount of money, So I want to explain to my Kids exactly what is and is not legal.

Can someone post up a link to the Actual wording of this new law, thanks.


2nd question.....Are CB Radios still legal? A driver hasto remove his of her hands from the steering wheel, pick up handset which is attached by a lead, squeeze trigger on handset to talk?
They are still used widely by Truck drivers. Just wondering if the law has changed in their use?

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 1st November 10:15

The best thing to teach them is phone in pocket/bag whilst driving. Saves any ambiguity and more importantly is the safe thing to do.

Yes I agree with you, but what would a TFL Camera make of a device (sat nav) mounted in a windscreen? I can see a lot of confusion with the Driver being Guilty until proven to be innocent, which will involve many costs against big brother!

[silverfoxcc]

I would welcome a law that fines anyone with a sat nave/phone/ipad, yes seen them as well, sited in the 'swept area' of the screen

in line with a windscreen chip/crack mot fail rule

[surveyor]

fatboy18 said:

Drumroll said:

fatboy18 said:

Fully understand why the rule has been Introduced ----But how does a Camera taking a picture of the driver touching a mobile phone on the windscreen know its a phone and not a satnav or Ipod (music and maps only)?
If a camera takes a photo of a Sat Nav in a windscreen and one receives a NIP What would be the procedure to appeal?
Is it ok to have the phone or Device mounted on a windscreen mount without actually touching it?

6 POINTS AND A £200 Fine + Insurance implications is a big amount of money, So I want to explain to my Kids exactly what is and is not legal.

Can someone post up a link to the Actual wording of this new law, thanks.


2nd question.....Are CB Radios still legal? A driver hasto remove his of her hands from the steering wheel, pick up handset which is attached by a lead, squeeze trigger on handset to talk?
They are still used widely by Truck drivers. Just wondering if the law has changed in their use?

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 1st November 10:15

The best thing to teach them is phone in pocket/bag whilst driving. Saves any ambiguity and more importantly is the safe thing to do.

Yes I agree with you, but what would a TFL Camera make of a device (sat nav) mounted in a windscreen? I can see a lot of confusion with the Driver being Guilty until proven to be innocent, which will involve many costs against big brother!

I don't believe this technology can exist on an automatic basis. Has the Daily Mail been making things up again?

[fatboy18]

LBC Radio this morning. Nick Ferrari

[cologne2792]

fatboy18 said:

2nd question.....Are CB Radios still legal? A driver hasto remove his of her hands from the steering wheel, pick up handset which is attached by a lead, squeeze trigger on handset to talk?
They are still used widely by Truck drivers. Just wondering if the law has changed in their use?

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 1st November 10:15

Yes, CB is still legal as are the many other types of Personal Mobile Radio used in vehicles.

They are exempt from the laws governing mobile phone use.

[spikyone]

fatboy18 said:

I am not sure if is legal now to use any part of the device even if it is mounted in a windscreen mount or other mount?

From the gov.uk website, you can use the phone if it has hands-free access, which includes:

• a dashboard holder or mat
• a windscreen mount

So, perfectly legal.

fatboy18 said:

Just been on the DVLA Website.....Here's another little snippet they have slipped in.
If you passed your test within 2 years your licence will be taken away and you will have to take your test again!

So the Insurance companies will be having a field day with this new rule......

This is not new. It's been 6 points for mobile phone use for a while now. And new drivers have been having their licence taken away for getting 6 points for a while.

I also don't see why you'd rage about it. If people are stupid enough to get caught driving whilst distracted, doing something that they (ought to) know is both stupid and illegal, do you not think they're more likely to have an accident, and as such should pay more for their insurance? Don't do stupid things, get cheaper car insurance. Win-win.

[Drumroll]

fatboy18 said:

Drumroll said:

fatboy18 said:

Fully understand why the rule has been Introduced ----But how does a Camera taking a picture of the driver touching a mobile phone on the windscreen know its a phone and not a satnav or Ipod (music and maps only)?
If a camera takes a photo of a Sat Nav in a windscreen and one receives a NIP What would be the procedure to appeal?
Is it ok to have the phone or Device mounted on a windscreen mount without actually touching it?

6 POINTS AND A £200 Fine + Insurance implications is a big amount of money, So I want to explain to my Kids exactly what is and is not legal.

Can someone post up a link to the Actual wording of this new law, thanks.


2nd question.....Are CB Radios still legal? A driver hasto remove his of her hands from the steering wheel, pick up handset which is attached by a lead, squeeze trigger on handset to talk?
They are still used widely by Truck drivers. Just wondering if the law has changed in their use?

Edited by fatboy18 on Friday 1st November 10:15

The best thing to teach them is phone in pocket/bag whilst driving. Saves any ambiguity and more importantly is the safe thing to do.

Yes I agree with you, but what would a TFL Camera make of a device (sat nav) mounted in a windscreen? I can see a lot of confusion with the Driver being Guilty until proven to be innocent, which will involve many costs against big brother!

Which is the reason for not having it visible/within easy reach. Saves any confusion and is a lot SAFER. (You know the things parents are supposed to teach, to make their children as safe as possible.)

[surveyor]

Drumroll said:

Which is the reason for not having it visible/within easy reach. Saves any confusion and is a lot SAFER. (You know the things parents are supposed to teach, to make their children as safe as possible.)

Bit difficult using it for nav if it's not visible...

[C4ME]

I have one car (main car) with a TomTom sat nav that attaches to the front screen with a suction attachment. In the other car I occasionally use my phone as a sat nav in a cradle attached to the front screen with a suction attachment. I touch both in a similar way to set the route, enter a road block etc. I have a Bluetooth earpiece for the phone to answer calls hands free etc so never touch or hold the phone for calls.

1/ Is the way I currently use the phone as a sat nav legal?
2/ Will the proposed change make the use of the phone as described illegal?

[Drumroll]

surveyor said:

Drumroll said:

Which is the reason for not having it visible/within easy reach. Saves any confusion and is a lot SAFER. (You know the things parents are supposed to teach, to make their children as safe as possible.)

Bit difficult using it for nav if it's not visible...

True, but the statement still applies. Perhaps look at another source of sat nav.

[surveyor]

Drumroll said:

surveyor said:

Drumroll said:

Which is the reason for not having it visible/within easy reach. Saves any confusion and is a lot SAFER. (You know the things parents are supposed to teach, to make their children as safe as possible.)

Bit difficult using it for nav if it's not visible...

True, but the statement still applies. Perhaps look at another source of sat nav.

You mean one with a touch screen, mounted to the screen, and visible. Sounds just like a phone...

Perhaps I should go back to wrestling with a paper map.

[Drumroll]

surveyor said:

You mean one with a touch screen, mounted to the screen, and visible. Sounds just like a phone...

Perhaps I should go back to wrestling with a paper map.

Yes, I am aware of how they work and also many cars now have them fitted as standard. The question was avoiding getting points, so not having a mobile phone visible avoids this. It is also a lot safer not having a mobile phone "handy" removes some of the temptation to look at texts etc.