Heath knew it was treason..
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Apologies if this has been discussed already. What do we make of this document just released under the 30 year rule.
https://www.eutruth.org.uk/fco30.html
https://www.eutruth.org.uk/fco30.html
Just released? Thirty years from 1971: 2001. Maths not a thing with you?
What we know from this document is that by flourishing it here with an OMG OMG OMG shock horror title you are either mischievous, or are a bit gullible and are being played by the cynical operators behind the Brexit scam. Read the full document, and also read up on its context.
The stuff from the website you link to has been doing the rounds for years. It's a tinfoil hat site.
What we know from this document is that by flourishing it here with an OMG OMG OMG shock horror title you are either mischievous, or are a bit gullible and are being played by the cynical operators behind the Brexit scam. Read the full document, and also read up on its context.
The stuff from the website you link to has been doing the rounds for years. It's a tinfoil hat site.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 9th November 09:56
Pastor of Muppets = Master of Puppets?
If so it’s a pretty naive effort.
Everybody knows the EU core nations were heading for full integration. It’s hardly a secret. This was part of the Post-1945 No More War agenda. It was also a form of extended war reparations for France. Britain joined not because it bought into this but because it desperately needed to trade with the Common Market as it used to be called, and it recognised that the days of global hegemony were over.
That is something I along with a lot of young Brits would have disagreed with back in the day, but now is accepted, except by blinkered Brexiteers, as a simple fact.
Britain never surrendered its sovereignty, other in minor reversible ways, it never gave up its currency, absolutely rightly. It came close under Major/Lamont and the ERM but that again was for the UK a short term fix to the weakness of the pound. Meanwhile, as a result of EU membership, massive investment was over time lured into the UK as a bridgehead to Europe, and into the bargain the Germans rebuilt and run our car industry for us. It has been a perfect solution.
Various politicians and the gutter press have never ceased to blame the EU for everything, far from keeping silent. Large parts of our domestic economy are largely dependent on economic migrants from the EU. In so far as the UK has an immigration problem it is large scale economic migration from outside the EU where this is aimed at exploiting the UK’s benefits system. Politicians have failed to control this from time immemorial and aren’t likely to to do anytime soon.
So, this is pretty crude fake news. Come on, the CIA, GCHQ or whoever you are, surely you can do better than that!
If so it’s a pretty naive effort.
Everybody knows the EU core nations were heading for full integration. It’s hardly a secret. This was part of the Post-1945 No More War agenda. It was also a form of extended war reparations for France. Britain joined not because it bought into this but because it desperately needed to trade with the Common Market as it used to be called, and it recognised that the days of global hegemony were over.
That is something I along with a lot of young Brits would have disagreed with back in the day, but now is accepted, except by blinkered Brexiteers, as a simple fact.
Britain never surrendered its sovereignty, other in minor reversible ways, it never gave up its currency, absolutely rightly. It came close under Major/Lamont and the ERM but that again was for the UK a short term fix to the weakness of the pound. Meanwhile, as a result of EU membership, massive investment was over time lured into the UK as a bridgehead to Europe, and into the bargain the Germans rebuilt and run our car industry for us. It has been a perfect solution.
Various politicians and the gutter press have never ceased to blame the EU for everything, far from keeping silent. Large parts of our domestic economy are largely dependent on economic migrants from the EU. In so far as the UK has an immigration problem it is large scale economic migration from outside the EU where this is aimed at exploiting the UK’s benefits system. Politicians have failed to control this from time immemorial and aren’t likely to to do anytime soon.
So, this is pretty crude fake news. Come on, the CIA, GCHQ or whoever you are, surely you can do better than that!
If a real person, he or she may have a vote. So he or she should, of course, but it remains a pity that people vote on the basis of fake news, spin, and cobblers, such as that which prompted the OP to start this thread. Cue calls of elitist and metro leeeeebral etc for daring to suggest that people might try to obtain even half a clue about even half a thing before exercising the precious franchise.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 9th November 11:31
Breadvan72 said:
We can laugh, but thousands and maybe even millions of people fall for this sort of low grade drivel, on this and many subjects. Credulousness and lack of critical reasoning and fact checking skills are a big problem.
You mean Londoners then? As you think you are the centre of the universe it is all your fault, the rest of us have a brain but choose to use it wisely, if you have a news FEED you are not very clever are you?
Why do you need to be FED the news?
Yup bored again, and it is fecking rainy out there. And brain dead football is on.
Breadvan72 said:
Er, is it after lunch there? Pub football maybe? Who mentioned anything about London or news feeds?
I did and yes it is after lunch and near tea time, which we have in the south west, my point is everyone that calls anyone with a differing point to yours thick is normally from London or the home counties.The OP probably got his / her information from the channels of facebook or twitter, so is fake from the start.
Pub football, we avoid sports pubs just because we do not like any sport.
You missed the point as usual and I said the same in my post earlier.
Instead of moaning about lies told of Brexit why don't you discuss the lies the government told to get the public to vote for joining the common market in the first place.
And as for investment, we get out less than we put in, so would have been better off not paying the Euro fees and investing directly into the country.
That would not only be cheaper as we cut out the middle-man and their "expenses" but also we wouldn't have been dictated to as to where it got spent.
So we were lied to going in, lied to coming out, yet our public servants argue like children and act like it's all our fault instead of doing the job they get paid for.
And as for investment, we get out less than we put in, so would have been better off not paying the Euro fees and investing directly into the country.
That would not only be cheaper as we cut out the middle-man and their "expenses" but also we wouldn't have been dictated to as to where it got spent.
So we were lied to going in, lied to coming out, yet our public servants argue like children and act like it's all our fault instead of doing the job they get paid for.
That would all be cool if it were true! I am old enough to recall the debates in the early to mid 70s, and I've read a lot of the stuff published at that time, and in the 60s. the position was made clear.
"We were lied to going in" is just another of the endless list of Brexiter lies.
"We were lied to going in" is just another of the endless list of Brexiter lies.
Allanv said:
I did and yes it is after lunch and near tea time, which we have in the south west, my point is everyone that calls anyone with a differing point to yours thick is normally from London or the home counties.
The OP probably got his / her information from the channels of facebook or twitter, so is fake from the start.
Pub football, we avoid sports pubs just because we do not like any sport.
You missed the point as usual and I said the same in my post earlier.
Partridge ? The OP probably got his / her information from the channels of facebook or twitter, so is fake from the start.
Pub football, we avoid sports pubs just because we do not like any sport.
You missed the point as usual and I said the same in my post earlier.
Credulousness is not a synonym for thick. A person may be clever but still credulous. I am inclined to think that nobody is thick. Everyone may possibly have a similar level of cleverness. Some people are not very well informed. Some people have not been taught how to sift evidence and distinguish between BS and non BS. That is not the same as being thick.
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