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Charliecloud said:
More like a Single Bloke thing..........
My first thought too, my wife is bike sympathetic, but there is no way I would bring a bike in the house, unless I was Mick Doohan and had a huge house and a selection of mint ex race bikes to display.I used to read Practical Sportsbike which always had a fair number of articles about bike collectors who had a front room/back garden literally rammed full of bikes. They were invariably single or divorced ('best thing I ever did getting rid of the old ball and chain'...)
warch said:
My first thought too, my wife is bike sympathetic, but there is no way I would bring a bike in the house, unless I was Mick Doohan and had a huge house and a selection of mint ex race bikes to display.
I used to read Practical Sportsbike which always had a fair number of articles about bike collectors who had a front room/back garden literally rammed full of bikes. They were invariably single or divorced ('best thing I ever did getting rid of the old ball and chain'...)
Or I could have a cool wife.....I used to read Practical Sportsbike which always had a fair number of articles about bike collectors who had a front room/back garden literally rammed full of bikes. They were invariably single or divorced ('best thing I ever did getting rid of the old ball and chain'...)
As I said in a different thread, you must be f
king stupid bringing such a huge fire-loading in to your house.
The bike itself is unlikely to catch fire (unless you have it permanently hooked up to a battery charger of course) but if a fire does break out it will provide a massive amount of fuel to burn.
Have you ever seen a tyre on fire in the open?
The volume of black, toxic, flammable smoke it produces?
The heat it gives off?
Now times that by three (at least) and stick it in your living room / dining room / study.
There's a reason that building standards ensure compartmentation between your living area and your garage...
king stupid bringing such a huge fire-loading in to your house.The bike itself is unlikely to catch fire (unless you have it permanently hooked up to a battery charger of course) but if a fire does break out it will provide a massive amount of fuel to burn.
Have you ever seen a tyre on fire in the open?
The volume of black, toxic, flammable smoke it produces?
The heat it gives off?
Now times that by three (at least) and stick it in your living room / dining room / study.
There's a reason that building standards ensure compartmentation between your living area and your garage...
Rubin215 said:
As I said in a different thread, you must be fking stupid bringing such a huge fire-loading in to your house.
The bike itself is unlikely to catch fire (unless you have it permanently hooked up to a battery charger of course) but if a fire does break out it will provide a massive amount of fuel to burn.
Have you ever seen a tyre on fire in the open?
The volume of black, toxic, flammable smoke it produces?
The heat it gives off?
Now times that by three (at least) and stick it in your living room / dining room / study.
There's a reason that building standards ensure compartmentation between your living area and your garage...
In some ways you're absolutely right, but look at duggan's example- miles from any possible ignition source. If that went up the rest of the kitchen would already be well alight including the whole floor... Not going to make that appreciably worse.king stupid bringing such a huge fire-loading in to your house.The bike itself is unlikely to catch fire (unless you have it permanently hooked up to a battery charger of course) but if a fire does break out it will provide a massive amount of fuel to burn.
Have you ever seen a tyre on fire in the open?
The volume of black, toxic, flammable smoke it produces?
The heat it gives off?
Now times that by three (at least) and stick it in your living room / dining room / study.
There's a reason that building standards ensure compartmentation between your living area and your garage...
Krikkit said:
In some ways you're absolutely right, but look at duggan's example- miles from any possible ignition source. If that went up the rest of the kitchen would already be well alight including the whole floor... Not going to make that appreciably worse.
It doesn't have to be sitting right next to the seat of the fire to also be involved and to provide fuel.As a fire burns in a room, the area at the ceiling fills up with superheated gases that radiate heat down on to every other surface area within the room.
Very quickly these items will start to pyrolise and produce flammable gases which also contribute to the fire.
Given that the bulk of the exposed surface areas of the bike are plastic, it's going to go up in flames pretty damn quick...
Edited to add this vid from youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZUiaPAZ5KU
It's American so the temps are fartingheight but you can guess it's pretty damn hot.
Just so that you know, I did 30 years in the fire brigade and I'm qualified as a fire behaviour instructor.
I'm not trying to score points, I'm trying to keep people alive.
Edited by Rubin215 on Saturday 9th November 19:05
Rubin215 said:
It doesn't have to be sitting right next to the seat of the fire to also be involved and to provide fuel.
As a fire burns in a room, the area at the ceiling fills up with superheated gases that radiate heat down on to every other surface area within the room.
Very quickly these items will start to pyrolise and produce flammable gases which also contribute to the fire.
Given that the bulk of the exposed surface areas of the bike are plastic, it's going to go up in flames pretty damn quick...
Edited to add this vid from youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZUiaPAZ5KU
It's American so the temps are fartingheight but you can guess it's pretty damn hot.
Just so that you know, I did 30 years in the fire brigade and I'm qualified as a fire behaviour instructor.
I'm not trying to score points, I'm trying to keep people alive.
I get that you're speaking from experience, I'm not trying to be contrarian just for lols. I'm familiar with flashpoints and fluid dynamics, admittedly in unrelated work, but I don't think once you've got to the point of ABS plastic and vulcanised rubber flashing you're already knackered in a normal house.As a fire burns in a room, the area at the ceiling fills up with superheated gases that radiate heat down on to every other surface area within the room.
Very quickly these items will start to pyrolise and produce flammable gases which also contribute to the fire.
Given that the bulk of the exposed surface areas of the bike are plastic, it's going to go up in flames pretty damn quick...
Edited to add this vid from youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZUiaPAZ5KU
It's American so the temps are fartingheight but you can guess it's pretty damn hot.
Just so that you know, I did 30 years in the fire brigade and I'm qualified as a fire behaviour instructor.
I'm not trying to score points, I'm trying to keep people alive.
Edited by Rubin215 on Saturday 9th November 19:05
Krikkit said:
Rubin215 said:
It doesn't have to be sitting right next to the seat of the fire to also be involved and to provide fuel.
As a fire burns in a room, the area at the ceiling fills up with superheated gases that radiate heat down on to every other surface area within the room.
Very quickly these items will start to pyrolise and produce flammable gases which also contribute to the fire.
Given that the bulk of the exposed surface areas of the bike are plastic, it's going to go up in flames pretty damn quick...
Edited to add this vid from youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZUiaPAZ5KU
It's American so the temps are fartingheight but you can guess it's pretty damn hot.
Just so that you know, I did 30 years in the fire brigade and I'm qualified as a fire behaviour instructor.
I'm not trying to score points, I'm trying to keep people alive.
I get that you're speaking from experience, I'm not trying to be contrarian just for lols. I'm familiar with flashpoints and fluid dynamics, admittedly in unrelated work, but I don't think once you've got to the point of ABS plastic and vulcanised rubber flashing you're already knackered in a normal house.As a fire burns in a room, the area at the ceiling fills up with superheated gases that radiate heat down on to every other surface area within the room.
Very quickly these items will start to pyrolise and produce flammable gases which also contribute to the fire.
Given that the bulk of the exposed surface areas of the bike are plastic, it's going to go up in flames pretty damn quick...
Edited to add this vid from youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZUiaPAZ5KU
It's American so the temps are fartingheight but you can guess it's pretty damn hot.
Just so that you know, I did 30 years in the fire brigade and I'm qualified as a fire behaviour instructor.
I'm not trying to score points, I'm trying to keep people alive.
Edited by Rubin215 on Saturday 9th November 19:05
I've been to fires where flashover has already occurred (or occurred soon after we got there) but we have rescued people pretty much unscathed.
Unfortunately, I have also been to fires that have never actually reached flashover but people have died from smoke inhalation, probably before we were even called.
However, you're missing the main point.
Parking a bike inside doesn't increase your risk of having a fire in any way (unless, as I said earlier, you add in another factor such as a battery charger).
What it does do though is decrease the chance of you surviving a fire if you do have one, by providing a massive amount of easily available energy for a fire to use.
Plastics, rubber etc give off massive quantities of flammable and toxic fumes fumes at relatively low temperatures, certainly lower than the wood in your table or the foam in your sofa. (Never mind the petrol in the tank, I would hope that anyone daft enough to bring a bike inside the house would at least have the savvy to have drained this completely...)
The objects themselves don't actually have to be on fire for this to happen, and the room they are in doesn't actually have to ever reach the point of flashover.
Very quickly from a fire starting it will be producing enough heat for other objects in the same room to be decomposing and producing toxic smoke and flammable fumes; a motorbike will do that faster than most other objects you would expect to find inside someone's house!
Spend a bit of time on youtube and look at different videos of flashover and backdraught, I guarantee they will change your mind.
Edited by Rubin215 on Saturday 9th November 20:51
horsemeatscandal said:
Surely motorbikes in the house has to be in the council thread?
Nah, in council estates motorbikes are normally kept in common stairways so that when someone sets them on fire you suddenly have eight flats full of people trapped instead of one.Or at least it is in Edinburgh...
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