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Venice is certainly getting a bit damp. Venice‘s mayor has called for the city to be declared a disaster zone after the second highest tide ever recorded left 85 per cent of the city underwater.I am wondering if they will ever get round to building adequate flood defences.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50401308
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50401308
More to the point, isn't Venice itself sinking?
When I was there a couple of years ago I seem to remember reading that it had been measured at a rate of circa 9 inches in the last century.
Rising water levels aside, if something is built on water and steadily sinking, it's going to get flooded a lot more often than in the past.
When I was there a couple of years ago I seem to remember reading that it had been measured at a rate of circa 9 inches in the last century.
Rising water levels aside, if something is built on water and steadily sinking, it's going to get flooded a lot more often than in the past.
amgmcqueen said:
kev1974 said:
I'd like to see the mayor explain why he's decided it's obviously because of climate change, when the waters were quite a lot higher back in 1966.
I think he's decided its climate change because he is a brainwashed moron!OzzyR1 said:
More to the point, isn't Venice itself sinking?
When I was there a couple of years ago I seem to remember reading that it had been measured at a rate of circa 9 inches in the last century.
Rising water levels aside, if something is built on water and steadily sinking, it's going to get flooded a lot more often than in the past.
I think this is the case for numerous locations around the world whereby 'climate change' is purported to be the issue when actually it isn't.When I was there a couple of years ago I seem to remember reading that it had been measured at a rate of circa 9 inches in the last century.
Rising water levels aside, if something is built on water and steadily sinking, it's going to get flooded a lot more often than in the past.
Certain land areas are indeed 'sinking' and naturally as a result the comparative sea level is going to be higher, which will be noticed most on occasion during times of high tide.
swiveleyedgit said:
The new barrage not working then?
It didn't work last years either with the high tides, It works at other timeshttps://www.businessinsider.com/venice-mose-flood-...
Has it been finished now?
When I was last there, I noticed a lot of the houses have abandonded ground floor levels, some were left completely bare with no windows and practically sealed off from the rest of the house, even with peeling paint on the walls, hence been like this for a long while.
I imagined wildly that this was due to flooding on a regular basis. Appreciate some years must be worse than others. But I do get the impression that its quite a regular thing in a city built a few inches from the water level
I imagined wildly that this was due to flooding on a regular basis. Appreciate some years must be worse than others. But I do get the impression that its quite a regular thing in a city built a few inches from the water level
Venice is sinking because it is built on the delta of the River Po, and the accumulation of sediments weighs so much that it is causing a depression of the crustal sub-layers over the entire region. Exactly the same is true of the Rhine Delta or the Mississippi Delta.
Any global increase in sea level is immaterial in the light of this inescapable geological fact. It is not primarily a result of the city being built on piles sunk into the sediment of the lagoon, though there may be some local shrinkage of the drying substrate to take into account.
There are indeed plans to build barrages around the entire lagoon, but this is an enormous project, and unfortunately stuff on this scale is subject to all sorts of political (and criminal) pressures in Italy.
The mayor of Venice should, perhaps, look on the bright side - at least the pavements will have been rinsed of the accumulation of dog crap the local inhabitants seem content to allow to build up.
Any global increase in sea level is immaterial in the light of this inescapable geological fact. It is not primarily a result of the city being built on piles sunk into the sediment of the lagoon, though there may be some local shrinkage of the drying substrate to take into account.
There are indeed plans to build barrages around the entire lagoon, but this is an enormous project, and unfortunately stuff on this scale is subject to all sorts of political (and criminal) pressures in Italy.
The mayor of Venice should, perhaps, look on the bright side - at least the pavements will have been rinsed of the accumulation of dog crap the local inhabitants seem content to allow to build up.
te soup....Roofless Toothless said:
Venice is sinking because it is built on the delta of the River Po, and the accumulation of sediments weighs so much that it is causing a depression of the crustal sub-layers over the entire region. Exactly the same is true of the Rhine Delta or the Mississippi Delta.
Any global increase in sea level is immaterial in the light of this inescapable geological fact. It is not primarily a result of the city being built on piles sunk into the sediment of the lagoon, though there may be some local shrinkage of the drying substrate to take into account.
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"It's not because it was built on wood" would have sufficed.Any global increase in sea level is immaterial in the light of this inescapable geological fact. It is not primarily a result of the city being built on piles sunk into the sediment of the lagoon, though there may be some local shrinkage of the drying substrate to take into account.
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Pinoyuk said:
No tears from me about it .Buggers charge a fortune to have a rank coffee in the square .Well hard luck you rude .waiters !!!
All those restaurants who overcharge tourists, hope they are properly under water. 
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advi...
kev1974 said:
I'd like to see the mayor explain why he's decided it's obviously because of climate change, when the waters were quite a lot higher back in 1966.
That's not how increases in sea level or rainfall works.You can't just say 'because outlying value x in past date y is higher than event reported today it means there is no increase'.
Down and out said:
Roofless Toothless said:
Venice is sinking because it is built on the delta of the River Po, and the accumulation of sediments weighs so much that it is causing a depression of the crustal sub-layers over the entire region. Exactly the same is true of the Rhine Delta or the Mississippi Delta.
Any global increase in sea level is immaterial in the light of this inescapable geological fact. It is not primarily a result of the city being built on piles sunk into the sediment of the lagoon, though there may be some local shrinkage of the drying substrate to take into account.
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"It's not because it was built on wood" would have sufficed.Any global increase in sea level is immaterial in the light of this inescapable geological fact. It is not primarily a result of the city being built on piles sunk into the sediment of the lagoon, though there may be some local shrinkage of the drying substrate to take into account.
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JuniorD said:
Climate Change caveat at bottom of BBC Article
In other words, "While we are not saying it's definitely climate change...we don't want to say it's not...so one way or another, it is"
"possible effects"....."If this happens"...."greater likelihood"....."increase the chance"....In other words, "While we are not saying it's definitely climate change...we don't want to say it's not...so one way or another, it is"
The science is certainly settled....
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