Redundancy advice
Discussion
Ok so what’s the process.
For a friend.
Company have 3 surveyors and 1 left in august. The old manager also was asked to leave at the same time.
The new manager is freelance and he has advertised and brought in a new surveyor on the 4th November. He has has changed this guys title senior overnight and turned round and said to the two other surveyors that the role doesn’t exist and placed both in a 4 week consultation period.
When asked about the new structure and roles are not being announced or offered despite the letter saying so and no meeting had been booked with HR.
This person also works over two areas and is 50/50 costed but the letter talks about the one area failing and needing to reduce the size of the team,
For a friend.
Company have 3 surveyors and 1 left in august. The old manager also was asked to leave at the same time.
The new manager is freelance and he has advertised and brought in a new surveyor on the 4th November. He has has changed this guys title senior overnight and turned round and said to the two other surveyors that the role doesn’t exist and placed both in a 4 week consultation period.
When asked about the new structure and roles are not being announced or offered despite the letter saying so and no meeting had been booked with HR.
This person also works over two areas and is 50/50 costed but the letter talks about the one area failing and needing to reduce the size of the team,
Jasandjules said:
A touch difficult to decipher but it would appear the company is attempting to reduce costs by fabricating redundancies then replacing with contractors/constltants....
Sorry if it was hard to follow.The company have 3 areas and 3 area surveyors. North- Central- South
They used to have a 2 surveyors for the first two years of the contract which has 12 years to run. Covering the southwest from Gloucestershire to Cornwall.
They tried having 2 surveyors with an administrator at the start and they ended up with lots of disputed works accounts.
So 10-11 months ago they brought in new managers who decided to have 3 surveyors and 3 administrators stationed in each area.
The central surveyor also ended up being 40% shared and costed to another contract in devon as the surveyor who was full time and costs recoverable left and was not replaced.
The previous manging surveyor was pushed out in july and in August a temp was brought in. The north surveyor (who had been with the contract since the start left) and the new temp manager got a guy from Birmingham who started on the 4th Nov.
What the have done overnight is changed his titled to Senior Surveyor and they have started consultation with the two surveyor in central and south.
They have stated there is a new structure and roles to apply for but these people at risk are not being shown that.
Take the redundancy package and move on. Whatever happens the job is done.
Keep copies of all communication and a diary.
If the redundancy package is derisory seek advice from an Employment lawyer. Most will offer a quick 30 min introductory session for little to no money.
No point burning bridges kicking off etc.
Process should be a formal notification in writing detailing termination date and remaining income, redundancy and any compensation due.
Keep copies of all communication and a diary.
If the redundancy package is derisory seek advice from an Employment lawyer. Most will offer a quick 30 min introductory session for little to no money.
No point burning bridges kicking off etc.
Process should be a formal notification in writing detailing termination date and remaining income, redundancy and any compensation due.
Edited by hornmeister on Wednesday 20th November 11:49
surveyor_101 said:
Jasandjules said:
A touch difficult to decipher but it would appear the company is attempting to reduce costs by fabricating redundancies then replacing with contractors/constltants....
Sorry if it was hard to follow.The company have 3 areas and 3 area surveyors. North- Central- South
They used to have a 2 surveyors for the first two years of the contract which has 12 years to run. Covering the southwest from Gloucestershire to Cornwall.
They tried having 2 surveyors with an administrator at the start and they ended up with lots of disputed works accounts.
So 10-11 months ago they brought in new managers who decided to have 3 surveyors and 3 administrators stationed in each area.
The central surveyor also ended up being 40% shared and costed to another contract in devon as the surveyor who was full time and costs recoverable left and was not replaced.
The previous manging surveyor was pushed out in july and in August a temp was brought in. The north surveyor (who had been with the contract since the start left) and the new temp manager got a guy from Birmingham who started on the 4th Nov.
What the have done overnight is changed his titled to Senior Surveyor and they have started consultation with the two surveyor in central and south.
They have stated there is a new structure and roles to apply for but these people at risk are not being shown that.
REALIST123 said:
Nope, sorry. Still just a noise..........
Temp guy joins an existing team as their manager.Temp guy brings in their own person (did they know each other already?).
Temp guy then promotes their own person to "senior".
Temp guy tells existing staff that as there is now a "senior" in the team, their roles are redundant.
Temp guy hopes that the team ends up being just them and the "senior" they recruited with loyalty guaranteed, thereby securing temp-to-perm role for themselves.
Is that the general gist?
So Temp man/consultant brought in to do the hatchet job for the company then?
So is this what's happening?;
- Consultant in,
- Looks at structure and believes one man can do it if "right man".
- Recruits "right man", gives him new title to reflect that he's the "right man".
- Once in gives existing employees Risk notice as roles no longer exist.
- Existing employees leave
- Consultant leaves having done what the company wanted him to do.
- If it goes wrong there's the scape goat?
So is this what's happening?;
- Consultant in,
- Looks at structure and believes one man can do it if "right man".
- Recruits "right man", gives him new title to reflect that he's the "right man".
- Once in gives existing employees Risk notice as roles no longer exist.
- Existing employees leave
- Consultant leaves having done what the company wanted him to do.
- If it goes wrong there's the scape goat?
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