National Treasures..
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vonuber

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17,868 posts

189 months

Friday 22nd November 2019
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.. So let's nick it:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/22/de...

Stupid thing is that they would have made a fortune if they had done the right thing, surely they should have known that.

Makes you wonder how much else out there has been stolen.

Gareth79

8,776 posts

270 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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This article explains the detail of what they did - it was pretty blatant that they just took the items to dealers and presumably couldn't explain how they were acquired and that they were ok to sell, and it eventually came to the attention of the local council and police:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/21/de...

I think these days if you find more than a handful of coins then it would be difficult to sell without being as scrupulous as a "proper criminal" and keeping everything off the books, but I'm sure in the past it was much easier.


B210bandit

513 posts

121 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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The coins should be in the British Museum, alongside all the other stolen goods.

vonuber

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17,868 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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It's the shear stupidity blinded by greed I don't get. They surely must have known.

C997

624 posts

190 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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Yet the two scumbags who filmed themselves raping the girl in London only got 7.5 years...

vonuber

Original Poster:

17,868 posts

189 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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C997 said:
Yet the two scumbags who filmed themselves raping the girl in London only got 7.5 years...
Yeah, sentencing terms for rape are far too short.

Ayahuasca

27,560 posts

303 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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vonuber said:
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Stupid thing is that they would have made a fortune if they had done the right thing, surely they should have known that.
From the articles, doing the right thing was not an option for them. They did not have permission to detect on the land, so when they found the hoard they were stuck. With permission they could have done a deal with the landowner, without it they had to admit to stealing, or try to sell the goods on the quiet.

What they should have done, of course, is obtain permission before detecting, but you can judge the chances of Lord Cawley granting such permission to a couple of scruffy oiks.

Big-Bo-Beep

884 posts

78 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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Huzzah, our perverse justice system in action, custodial sentences for a crime with no victim.

Glad these vicious, venal detectorist desperados are in stir while rapists, paedophiles and muggers out on licence stalk our streets.

I do feel safer at night, I really do.

KrazyIvan

4,341 posts

199 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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Big-Bo-Beep said:
Huzzah, our perverse justice system in action, custodial sentences for a crime with no victim.

Glad these vicious, venal detectorist desperados are in stir while rapists, paedophiles and muggers out on licence stalk our streets.

I do feel safer at night, I really do.
So your happy for somebody to dig up you garden and what they finds their own yeah.....or is it only wealthy land owners who should have no rights in your world?

XCP

17,610 posts

252 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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They'll be out on licence too soon. Just because other crimes do not attract the right sentence is no reason to criticise that applied in this case.

williamp

20,143 posts

297 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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KrazyIvan said:
So your happy for somebody to dig up you garden and what they finds their own yeah.....or is it only wealthy land owners who should have no rights in your world?
Surely the point is that someone dopped them, yet they made no effort to find out who they were and return them...

dudleybloke

20,553 posts

210 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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Some people get less for killing a kid.

Ayahuasca

27,560 posts

303 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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I do think the sentence is ludicrously high.

Stealing the nations heritage?

1) they almost certainly did not know the value of what they had found

2) if it had not been for them, the nation’s heritage would be still undiscovered, and possibly later destroyed by ploughing, building

6-12 months would be reasonable. 10 years is ridiculous.


MikeyC

836 posts

251 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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Ayahuasca said:
vonuber said:
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Stupid thing is that they would have made a fortune if they had done the right thing, surely they should have known that.
From the articles, doing the right thing was not an option for them. They did not have permission to detect on the land, so when they found the hoard they were stuck. With permission they could have done a deal with the landowner, without it they had to admit to stealing, or try to sell the goods on the quiet.

What they should have done, of course, is obtain permission before detecting, but you can judge the chances of Lord Cawley granting such permission to a couple of scruffy oiks.
A tricky position !
Did they even ask Lord Cawley ?
One solution would be to errr.... 'relocate' said treasure to somewhere else where they had an agreement - naughty I know !!