Declaring Hire Car Accident
Declaring Hire Car Accident
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Steve91

Original Poster:

536 posts

149 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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Evening all,

My partner has written off a Dacia Duster hire car (and two other cars) in Iceland over the weekend, and she's asking if she has to tell her UK insurance company. I can't find much with a quick Google so I figured that I'd ask here.

Any questions and I'll relay them to her (she's still in Iceland)

Thanks!

ging84

9,548 posts

175 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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She definitely doesn't untill renewal. If she should at renewal is another question. I probably wouldnt, but I don't own a car I couldn't afford to replace. If I had a £40k PCP liability I would probably be a bit more cautious.

TwigtheWonderkid

49,056 posts

179 months

Saturday 23rd November 2019
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ging84 said:
She definitely doesn't untill renewal. If she should at renewal is another question. I probably wouldnt, but I don't own a car I couldn't afford to replace. If I had a £40k PCP liability I would probably be a bit more cautious.
Yes, no need to advise until renewal. At renewal she should, but I wouldn't. An accident in a foreign hire car would be completely untraceable by a UK insurer.

But if she doesn't tell them, she needs to remember she hasn't told them. Because the only way they'll find out is if she tells them if she ever makes a claim on her policy.

anonymous-user

83 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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A single mother goes into a benefits office and makes a false statement in order to obtain or retain a benefit. PH EXPLODES in outrage.

Middle class motorist? Lie all you wish.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 24th November 12:56

cossy400

3,463 posts

213 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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Breadvan72 said:
A single mother goes into a benefits office and males a false statement in order to obtain or retain a benefit. PH EXPLODES in outrage.

Middle class motorist? Lie all you wish.
hehe

carreauchompeur

18,321 posts

233 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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Foreign hire car? Nah

Matt_E_Mulsion

1,746 posts

94 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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Breadvan72 said:
A single mother goes into a benefits office and males a false statement in order to obtain or retain a benefit. PH EXPLODES in outrage.

Middle class motorist? Lie all you wish.
Ah but the single mother deception involves being paid money out by the state that she isn't entitled to. The motorists deception is so he doesn't have his pants pulled down more than necessary by his insurance company upping his renewal.

DaveH23

3,355 posts

199 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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As per another thread that was running about when to tell your insurer, it depends on your policy wording.
Some policies are at renewal others are immediately, check what your policy says.

In terms of declaring the accident in another country, surely that depends on what you are asked.

I.e have you had an accident in the last 3/5 years regardless of fault then I would say yes. If it's specifically about your insured car or country specific then probably not.

Try speaking to them without declaring who you are and ask as a hypothetical question.

I will soon be hiring a car abroad and have acquired insurance elsewhere, In the event of a claim/accident would it need to be declared on one of your policy's.




Edited by DaveH23 on Sunday 24th November 10:51

Beetnik

576 posts

213 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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Matt_E_Mulsion said:
Ah but the single mother deception involves being paid money out by the state that she isn't entitled to. The motorists deception is so he doesn't have his pants pulled down more than necessary by his insurance company upping his renewal.
As the Insurance Co aims for a certain gross revenue then by not taking that last bit from Ms Iceland the extra is spread across the rest of the policyhlders so everyone else pays a little bit more - no different to the single mother deception.

TwigtheWonderkid

49,056 posts

179 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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DaveH23 said:
As per another thread that was running about when to tell your insurer, it depends on your policy wording.
Some policies are at renewal others are immediately, check what your policy says.
You do not have to tell them until renewal. Any request to advise earlier is just that, a request, and is not enforceable.

DaveH23

3,355 posts

199 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
You do not have to tell them until renewal. Any request to advise earlier is just that, a request, and is not enforceable.
Each Policy can be different. Would you read the highlighted section below as a non enforceable request?


stevensdrs

3,264 posts

229 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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What happens in Iceland stays in Iceland.

anonymous-user

83 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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Matt_E_Mulsion said:
Breadvan72 said:
A single mother goes into a benefits office and males a false statement in order to obtain or retain a benefit. PH EXPLODES in outrage.

Middle class motorist? Lie all you wish.
Ah but the single mother deception involves being paid money out by the state that she isn't entitled to. The motorists deception is so he doesn't have his pants pulled down more than necessary by his insurance company upping his renewal.
So, it is OK to lie to a private sector organisation, but it is not OK to lie to the State. That is your system of ethics, is it? What if you think the State is misbehaving? Does that make it OK to falsify your tax return?

Matt_E_Mulsion

1,746 posts

94 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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Beetnik said:
Matt_E_Mulsion said:
Ah but the single mother deception involves being paid money out by the state that she isn't entitled to. The motorists deception is so he doesn't have his pants pulled down more than necessary by his insurance company upping his renewal.
As the Insurance Co aims for a certain gross revenue then by not taking that last bit from Ms Iceland the extra is spread across the rest of the policyhlders so everyone else pays a little bit more - no different to the single mother deception.
Put whatever spin on it you want, but if I was the OP I would keep it to myself.

TwigtheWonderkid

49,056 posts

179 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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DaveH23 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
You do not have to tell them until renewal. Any request to advise earlier is just that, a request, and is not enforceable.
Each Policy can be different. Would you read the highlighted section below as a non enforceable request?

Yes, completely. The ABI guidelines are quite clear on this. Insurers don't have to be told until renewal, and if they are told, they can't charge for it until renewal.

A1VDY

3,575 posts

156 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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Breadvan72 said:
Middle class motorist? Lie all you wish.

Edited by Breadvan72 on Sunday 24th November 12:56
Middle class?
Is there such a thing anymore??

zarjaz1991

6,806 posts

152 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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I'll be the near-lone voice supporting Breadvan.

I'm sick of endlessly paying out more money due to, in varying degrees, fraudsters. And yes, if you get a lower insurance quote than you are entitled to because you lied, then in my eyes it's fraudulent, regardless of any legal definition. And as has been pointed out above, it means I have to pay more. Again.

anonymous-user

83 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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It is fraudulent by the legal definition too.


But, crack on. Screw the insurers. Victimless crime innit! Now back to threads cursing cash for crash scammers, benefit scroungers, over expensed MPs, travellers, migrants and cheaty racing drivers.

KungFuPanda

4,640 posts

199 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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A1VDY said:
Breadvan72 said:
Middle class motorist? Lie all you wish.

Edited by Breadvan72 on Sunday 24th November 12:56
Middle class?
Is there such a thing anymore??
Middle classes must be hit hard if they’re driving Dacia Duster hire cars.

ging84

9,548 posts

175 months

Sunday 24th November 2019
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Breadvan72 said:
It is fraudulent by the legal definition too.


But, crack on. Screw the insurers. Victimless crime innit! Now back to threads cursing cash for crash scammers, benefit scroungers, over expensed MPs, travellers, migrants and cheaty racing drivers.
Is it necessarily fraudulent though?

lets say we had data that proves that if a consumer was asked about 'any' motor claims on a UK policy proposal the majority would honestly not expect that to include an accident in a hire car abroad.
If someone with expert industry knowledge was asked, and knew both that the insurer would take it into account, but a reasonable consumer would not disclose it, would they be able to answer the question as if they were an ordinary consumer?