High mileage VAG TFSI engines
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we're looking at getting future wifey her first car (she only started driving 3 years ago). We've spotted a great looking, nigh on immaculate Audi TT mk2 roadster with DSG or S Tronic orwhatever they called it in that TT. Full service history, cambelt changed bang on time etc etc. BUT, it has 103,000 on the clock. I know that the days of 100k being the death knell for an engine are long gone but I just wanted to see if any of the PH vast knowledge base had any experience of a high mileage 2.0 TFSI engine. Any replies greatly appreciated.
A1VDY said:
Piston ring/bore wear leading to huge oil consumption, cam chain wear problems and injector failures can all lead to a money pit..
i think you mean cam chain tensioner. I swapped mine on a MK6 GTi as a preventative measure. Cost me about £100 IIRC. Same price as a cam belt swap, so hardly the end of the world.novus said:
A1VDY said:
Piston ring/bore wear leading to huge oil consumption, cam chain wear problems and injector failures can all lead to a money pit..
Stop quoting internet gospel nonsense I only know because a friend would complain bitterly about having a compound full of cars that were all suffering this issue.
Mk6 TFSI engines in Golf gti had the tensioner problem that someone mentioned, possibly other models.
Bone Rat said:
Had a mk2 TT with the older EA113 belt driven 2.0 TFSI engine. Changed the oil every 6/12 (easy to suck out) and was running like a watch at 120k. Only sold it as I needed an auto. Would use about 1l of oil every 3k. Gearbox only really nicely slick at about 60k
Forgot to mention the age of the car. This one is a 2008/58I would check the gearbox oil change service history. I'd also run the car until warm and check that the box behaves when pulling away slowly eg no judder whatsoever.
Unless the car comes with a very comprehensive warranty that specifically includes all gearbox items, at that mileage, I wouldn't with my own money consider such an purchase.
But that's just with my experience, owning 3 cars with this engine and gearbox combo.
Unless the car comes with a very comprehensive warranty that specifically includes all gearbox items, at that mileage, I wouldn't with my own money consider such an purchase.
But that's just with my experience, owning 3 cars with this engine and gearbox combo.
manracer said:
I would check the gearbox oil change service history. I'd also run the car until warm and check that the box behaves when pulling away slowly eg no judder whatsoever.
Unless the car comes with a very comprehensive warranty that specifically includes all gearbox items, at that mileage, I wouldn't with my own money consider such an purchase.
But that's just with my experience, owning 3 cars with this engine and gearbox combo.
Thanks. Good stuff to look for when we both test drive it. Unless the car comes with a very comprehensive warranty that specifically includes all gearbox items, at that mileage, I wouldn't with my own money consider such an purchase.
But that's just with my experience, owning 3 cars with this engine and gearbox combo.
Have a 2.0tfsi in my GTI edition 30, owned from 67k to now 125k and no major issues other than usual perishables on the engine. Spark plugs and coil packs. The car remapped to over 300bhp and never misses a beat.
Re the dsg: servicing as mentioned, but listen out for an intermittent light clunking/tapping noise coming from the gear box. You may also hear a clunk when you brake whilst moving. Could well be the dmf on its way out and the part isn't cheap!
Re the dsg: servicing as mentioned, but listen out for an intermittent light clunking/tapping noise coming from the gear box. You may also hear a clunk when you brake whilst moving. Could well be the dmf on its way out and the part isn't cheap!
Edited by pinseeker on Tuesday 3rd December 22:20
The pre-facelift should be belt driven, DSG should have the oil changed every 40k, belt is every 5. Check the fuel pump cam follower, emissions control valve, divetoer valve, intake manifold falls apart. Haldex should also be changed.
Check the brakes as calipers fail, check the roof as the control module fails as do the motors on the cover.
Suspension is weak, shocks lear rear arm bushes split, the engine on form is good and pretty good on fuel, the gearbox not so good - make sure you try it at low speed and practice parking - going forward and reverse and feel for thumping as it takes up drive.
Check the glovebox as the hinges snap and very often you need to replace the glovebox, also check the AC works as the control panel can fail. The drivers seat wears excessively and its not the most comfortable seat on long runs.
Centre brake lights can fail and make sure all the rear lights work as they have a habit of getting water in the loom and shorting out the connectors. Audi do sell a repair kit though.
White TT's are the ones that sell quickly specifically if its a black line, I would stay away from big wheels, Suzuka grey was my favorite colour.
I would always pick a Z4 or SLK over a TT having spent plenty of time buying and driving them.
Check the brakes as calipers fail, check the roof as the control module fails as do the motors on the cover.
Suspension is weak, shocks lear rear arm bushes split, the engine on form is good and pretty good on fuel, the gearbox not so good - make sure you try it at low speed and practice parking - going forward and reverse and feel for thumping as it takes up drive.
Check the glovebox as the hinges snap and very often you need to replace the glovebox, also check the AC works as the control panel can fail. The drivers seat wears excessively and its not the most comfortable seat on long runs.
Centre brake lights can fail and make sure all the rear lights work as they have a habit of getting water in the loom and shorting out the connectors. Audi do sell a repair kit though.
White TT's are the ones that sell quickly specifically if its a black line, I would stay away from big wheels, Suzuka grey was my favorite colour.
I would always pick a Z4 or SLK over a TT having spent plenty of time buying and driving them.
focusxr5 said:
Forgot to mention the age of the car. This one is a 2008/58
Hi, it was a 2007/58 car we owned from new. the only hiccups we had from it were not from the mechanical parts but from the bolted on emissions stuff. The charcoal canister in particular, that comes from brimming the tank. That a problem for both the EA113 and EA888 I believe. Overall was very impressed by it and was planning to keep it till at least 150k. I gave out before it did...A
We've got a 2006 BWA one on about 120k miles. Its reliability hasn't been terrible but you couldn't exactly call it a paragon of reliability either. Off the top of my head in the 8 years we've had it, in no particular order:
1) The alternator failed
2) One of the coil packs shorted out and set fire to the wiring loom
3) The low pressure fuel pump failed
4) The high pressure fuel pump failed
5) The air conditioning compressor failed (arguably not part of the engine but still connected to it)
6) It seems to eat batteries
7) The positive crankcase ventilation valve failed (leading to horrific oil consumption)
8) The bottom end has a distinct knock unless the oil is right on the maximum mark, I suspect due to the previous owner running it on low oil.
There's probably been some other issues I've forgotten.
Is that an acceptable failure list for a highish mileage, highish power engine over 8 years? I suspect it's fairly average really; none of the failures have been catastrophically expensive.
1) The alternator failed
2) One of the coil packs shorted out and set fire to the wiring loom
3) The low pressure fuel pump failed
4) The high pressure fuel pump failed
5) The air conditioning compressor failed (arguably not part of the engine but still connected to it)
6) It seems to eat batteries
7) The positive crankcase ventilation valve failed (leading to horrific oil consumption)
8) The bottom end has a distinct knock unless the oil is right on the maximum mark, I suspect due to the previous owner running it on low oil.
There's probably been some other issues I've forgotten.
Is that an acceptable failure list for a highish mileage, highish power engine over 8 years? I suspect it's fairly average really; none of the failures have been catastrophically expensive.
Edited by kambites on Wednesday 4th December 18:15
My mate took his A5 2.0TFSI up to 270,000 miles!
Personally, I wouldn’t buy one unless there is proof the engine work for oil consumption has been done. It was clearly a widespread issue as it was done on our A5 TFSI convertible and our Q5 TFSI.
Overall, it’s a good engine, with a good mix of performance and economy.
Personally, I wouldn’t buy one unless there is proof the engine work for oil consumption has been done. It was clearly a widespread issue as it was done on our A5 TFSI convertible and our Q5 TFSI.
Overall, it’s a good engine, with a good mix of performance and economy.
Edited by AudiSport on Wednesday 4th December 23:07
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