Sam Gyimah MP (for now)
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So, Sam Gyimah is my current MP.
This is a very safe conservative seat (pretty much always conservative - unless you count Sam's forays into Independence and LibDem). A constituency that voted leave, not overwhelming, but a majority.
So Sam decided to represent us by strongly advocating remain, and to then represent his constituents as a LibDem...
No surprise then that he is not re-standing in this constituency.
I had a look at where he is standing..... I assumed as one of the high profile defectors from the conservative party he would be parachuted into one of the safe LibDem seats..... but no, he is standing in Kensington.
Kensington. A historically conservative seat that was won last time round by Labour with a majority of 20. The LibDems were a distant third. Do they think that he stands any chance in Kensington? Does he have any connections to that constituency (he didn't to this one!).
He surely cannot win? Surely he will be out of politics come Thursday?
Wonder if he regrets throwing away his political career (former minister and Conservative leadership candidate - albeit briefly)?
Or am I missing something? Are they hoping that the remain majority in Kensington will vote him in?
This is a very safe conservative seat (pretty much always conservative - unless you count Sam's forays into Independence and LibDem). A constituency that voted leave, not overwhelming, but a majority.
So Sam decided to represent us by strongly advocating remain, and to then represent his constituents as a LibDem...
No surprise then that he is not re-standing in this constituency.
I had a look at where he is standing..... I assumed as one of the high profile defectors from the conservative party he would be parachuted into one of the safe LibDem seats..... but no, he is standing in Kensington.
Kensington. A historically conservative seat that was won last time round by Labour with a majority of 20. The LibDems were a distant third. Do they think that he stands any chance in Kensington? Does he have any connections to that constituency (he didn't to this one!).
He surely cannot win? Surely he will be out of politics come Thursday?
Wonder if he regrets throwing away his political career (former minister and Conservative leadership candidate - albeit briefly)?
Or am I missing something? Are they hoping that the remain majority in Kensington will vote him in?
I'm surprised this seat hasn't made more news.
One, it's unusual, not because of Labour holding it with such a tiddly majority of 20,
not that Sam Gyimah has been parachuted in by the Lib-Dums (sorry, can't abide them!),
but it's one guy (Gyimah) against four women.
One of the women is Jay Aston (Bucks Fizz, if you're old enough to remember!) for the Brexit Party, who will prob take some Tory votes.
Who will win? Anyone's guess, but not Gyimah.
Should add, you're supposed to mention them. The others!
The Workers Revolutionary, the Touch Love
and Christian Alliance candidates who will all lose their deposits - imo.
One, it's unusual, not because of Labour holding it with such a tiddly majority of 20,
not that Sam Gyimah has been parachuted in by the Lib-Dums (sorry, can't abide them!),
but it's one guy (Gyimah) against four women.
One of the women is Jay Aston (Bucks Fizz, if you're old enough to remember!) for the Brexit Party, who will prob take some Tory votes.
Who will win? Anyone's guess, but not Gyimah.
Should add, you're supposed to mention them. The others!
The Workers Revolutionary, the Touch Love
and Christian Alliance candidates who will all lose their deposits - imo. Mojooo said:
Maybe he was willing to chuck it in for following his principles?
(i don't agree with his views by the way).
(i don't agree with his views by the way).
By getting himself elected in 2017 on a manifesto he had no intention of honouring.
Their is one honourable Tory Remainer rebel IMO, Clarke, who sent out his own material in 2017 making his position clear.
Mojooo said:
Maybe he was willing to chuck it in for following his principles?
(i don't agree with his views by the way).
Sadly, it would be acceptable if this were the case, and I could possibly have a little respect for him - unfortunately that's not the case. Sam Gyimah's number one priority is Sam Gyimah's career. (i don't agree with his views by the way).
He stood on a platform that he did not support - surely if he was a man of principle to the extent he would chuck it in for his beliefs, he would have stood as an independent, and let his constituents judge him on his years in office. Surely if he was a man of principle he would have called a by-election when he left the conservative party (which he was elected on the basis of being part of).
Unfortunately both of the above would have relied on his work in the constituency to get him elected...... which would not have been a good idea. I had the "pleasure" of attending a town meeting which he called (after much cajoling) to discuss some issues in our local area where he basically told everybody that they were wrong. He also demonstrated a breathtaking lack of knowledge of the area geographically and of local issues - despite having been the MP for nearly 7 years at this point. To date, despite him assuring people he would take on board their concerns, nothing has happened.
So no great loss to us really. Wonder if the replacement conservative candidate will be any better? Time will tell I guess, at least she has managed to find our town on a map.
Amusingly the LibDem candidate has used the phrase "Momentum is with us" in his paraphernalia. Not sure if this was a Freudian slip or not....
Edited by TriumphStag3.0V8 on Monday 9th December 09:48
dandarez said:
I'm surprised this seat hasn't made more news.
One, it's unusual, not because of Labour holding it with such a tiddly majority of 20,
not that Sam Gyimah has been parachuted in by the Lib-Dums (sorry, can't abide them!),
but it's one guy (Gyimah) against four women.
One of the women is Jay Aston (Bucks Fizz, if you're old enough to remember!) for the Brexit Party, who will prob take some Tory votes.
Who will win? Anyone's guess, but not Gyimah.
Should add, you're supposed to mention them. The others!
The Workers Revolutionary, the Touch Love and Christian Alliance candidates who will all lose their deposits - imo.
The Touch Love party sound great. They have my vote! Or they would have if they were standing here......One, it's unusual, not because of Labour holding it with such a tiddly majority of 20,
not that Sam Gyimah has been parachuted in by the Lib-Dums (sorry, can't abide them!),
but it's one guy (Gyimah) against four women.
One of the women is Jay Aston (Bucks Fizz, if you're old enough to remember!) for the Brexit Party, who will prob take some Tory votes.
Who will win? Anyone's guess, but not Gyimah.
Should add, you're supposed to mention them. The others!
The Workers Revolutionary, the Touch Love
and Christian Alliance candidates who will all lose their deposits - imo. b
hstewie said:
hstewie said: He had a shocker on LBC a few weeks ago, absolutely awful.
Whatever you may think of his decisions it is odd when people suggest MPs are doing this for career advancement when it seems more like career suicide.
Only for some of them.Whatever you may think of his decisions it is odd when people suggest MPs are doing this for career advancement when it seems more like career suicide.
Sam seems blessed with the ability to shoot himself in the head. Always comes across as a gradeA prig IMO.
The most interesting seats in this GE for me will be those the likes of Sam are standing in...Chukka, Soubry and others etc.
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Sadly, it would be acceptable if this were the case, and I could possibly have a little respect for him - unfortunately that's not the case. Sam Gyimah's number one priority is Sam Gyimah's career.
If his priority was his own career presumably he would have kept quiet and voted with the party and he’d still be a safe seat conservative MP and on track to become a minister. What he did was put his career in jeopardy whether you agree with his ideals or not, he’s chosen the much harder path and not just put his career first.
What’s to stop him standing at the next election in 2022, or earlier. Nobody knows what the political landscape will look like then.
Brexit might have been canned, or happened and caused problems, or happened and be long consigned to the history books and nobody cares anymore. As much as some people won’t accept this there is a possibility that Brexit could cause so much pain that people get royally pissed off with it and want to welcome back those who opposed it. I’m not saying any of this will happen, I’m just saying it’s possible, just as possible as him having thrown his career away.
Brexit might have been canned, or happened and caused problems, or happened and be long consigned to the history books and nobody cares anymore. As much as some people won’t accept this there is a possibility that Brexit could cause so much pain that people get royally pissed off with it and want to welcome back those who opposed it. I’m not saying any of this will happen, I’m just saying it’s possible, just as possible as him having thrown his career away.
Keoparakolo said:
What’s to stop him standing at the next election in 2022, or earlier. Nobody knows what the political landscape will look like then.
Brexit might have been canned, or happened and caused problems, or happened and be long consigned to the history books and nobody cares anymore. As much as some people won’t accept this there is a possibility that Brexit could cause so much pain that people get royally pissed off with it and want to welcome back those who opposed it. I’m not saying any of this will happen, I’m just saying it’s possible, just as possible as him having thrown his career away.
It's possible I suppose, but i doubt that is his line of thinking. Brexit might have been canned, or happened and caused problems, or happened and be long consigned to the history books and nobody cares anymore. As much as some people won’t accept this there is a possibility that Brexit could cause so much pain that people get royally pissed off with it and want to welcome back those who opposed it. I’m not saying any of this will happen, I’m just saying it’s possible, just as possible as him having thrown his career away.
Murph7355 said:
Only for some of them.
Sam seems blessed with the ability to shoot himself in the head. Always comes across as a gradeA prig IMO.
The most interesting seats in this GE for me will be those the likes of Sam are standing in...Chukka, Soubry and others etc.
Just looked at Chukka as well. Seems to be in a similar position - strongly conservative seat where the LibDems have consistently polled a distant third. Sam seems blessed with the ability to shoot himself in the head. Always comes across as a gradeA prig IMO.
The most interesting seats in this GE for me will be those the likes of Sam are standing in...Chukka, Soubry and others etc.
Going to be an interesting election for sure.
El stovey said:
If his priority was his own career presumably he would have kept quiet and voted with the party and he’d still be a safe seat conservative MP and on track to become a minister.
What he did was put his career in jeopardy whether you agree with his ideals or not, he’s chosen the much harder path and not just put his career first.
Except his career history does not show him as being capable of making the best decisions. I seriously doubt his choice was a thought out principled decision (like Ken Clarke - don't agree with him but respect his stance and principles). Seems to be a case of a spectacular backfire - and incredibly amusing. What he did was put his career in jeopardy whether you agree with his ideals or not, he’s chosen the much harder path and not just put his career first.
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
El stovey said:
If his priority was his own career presumably he would have kept quiet and voted with the party and he’d still be a safe seat conservative MP and on track to become a minister.
What he did was put his career in jeopardy whether you agree with his ideals or not, he’s chosen the much harder path and not just put his career first.
Except his career history does not show him as being capable of making the best decisions. I seriously doubt his choice was a thought out principled decision (like Ken Clarke - don't agree with him but respect his stance and principles). Seems to be a case of a spectacular backfire - and incredibly amusing. What he did was put his career in jeopardy whether you agree with his ideals or not, he’s chosen the much harder path and not just put his career first.
That was never very likely, even at the time he admitted his career would be better off if he stayed and backed Boris.
Looks to me like he couldn’t back Boris over brexit so left, seems principled to me. Not sure why these guys get so much hate on here TBH.
Looking at your next MP she’s just another safe seat identikit candidate from well outside the area. No ministerial experience, just parachuted in to a seat that always votes conservative.
I’d much rather have Sam Gyimah than her myself.
They get so much hate because they don’t agree with the excessive right wing obsession on here. If a Labour MP defected there would be calls for a statue in their name to be erected and a new Bank Holiday in their honour for being strong and challenging their leader.
I see there’s little criticism of the new candidate being from out of area, whereas the subject of the thread gets criticised for it.
I see there’s little criticism of the new candidate being from out of area, whereas the subject of the thread gets criticised for it.
He also stood in my constituency (Gosport) when the infamous duck house MP, Peter Viggers, stepped down after the scandal. Never been here in his life and apparently had to be shown on a map where it was, but sure enough talked about the problems of the area like he'd lived here forever.
Last I saw of him was him jumping up and down like a frog on the main road out of Gosport with a placard asking everyone to vote for him.
He came 3rd of 4.
Went straight up the road to East Surrey and got elected there, having never been there either.
He is a serial political pole-climber and I wouldn't trust a word he says about anything. Jumping ship to the LDs seems to be a principled move but I'd bet there is an ulterior motive there somewhere.
Last I saw of him was him jumping up and down like a frog on the main road out of Gosport with a placard asking everyone to vote for him.
He came 3rd of 4.
Went straight up the road to East Surrey and got elected there, having never been there either.
He is a serial political pole-climber and I wouldn't trust a word he says about anything. Jumping ship to the LDs seems to be a principled move but I'd bet there is an ulterior motive there somewhere.
He was my MP and I thought he was pretty good tbh. He replaced another safe seat conservative who left after the expenses scandal.(I thought so anyway) but obviously Sam tried somewhere else and failed first.
I remember my old neighbour telling me after the election that “people weren’t happy” when they realised he was black. They obviously all just voted for him without seeing a picture of him. I suppose they thought his surname was welsh or something.
I remember my old neighbour telling me after the election that “people weren’t happy” when they realised he was black. They obviously all just voted for him without seeing a picture of him. I suppose they thought his surname was welsh or something.
El stovey said:
He chose to leave the conservatives because he thought the libdems were going to win the election?
That was never very likely, even at the time he admitted his career would be better off if he stayed and backed Boris.
Looks to me like he couldn’t back Boris over brexit so left, seems principled to me. Not sure why these guys get so much hate on here TBH.
Looking at your next MP she’s just another safe seat identikit candidate from well outside the area. No ministerial experience, just parachuted in to a seat that always votes conservative.
I’d much rather have Sam Gyimah than her myself.
I wouldn't. Your experience of him as an MP is obviously better than mine. That was never very likely, even at the time he admitted his career would be better off if he stayed and backed Boris.
Looks to me like he couldn’t back Boris over brexit so left, seems principled to me. Not sure why these guys get so much hate on here TBH.
Looking at your next MP she’s just another safe seat identikit candidate from well outside the area. No ministerial experience, just parachuted in to a seat that always votes conservative.
I’d much rather have Sam Gyimah than her myself.
The new candidate, well, I agree another identikit young conservative into a safe seat, will give her a fair chance and if she behaves the same as him, she will also be disliked. However she has at least shown up in town a few times. In fact I think she has been here more times during this campaign than he did in 7 years of representing us.
I do think that candidates should live in the area they are standing in. Problem here is that most dont. The one independent is local but very unlikely to be elected (formerly UKIP and has been a councillor). I'm discounting the MRLP candidate.
Really not a fan of parachuting people in from outside the area - don't see how they can fully appreciate local issues. But that seems to be the case with most constituencies. I guess it's another reason why people feel less connected with politics.
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