Looking to Buy Jaguar XF S (Any information much appreciated
Discussion
Dear all,
Currently own a 2.0 Mk3 mx5. Looking for something quicker, more practical and fuel efficient. Was originally looking at E90 330d's but have come across the jaguar XF S (271bhp twin turbo diesel). Does anyone have experience of driving/running these cars? How would running costs compare and would I be bored? My commute is 35 miles round trip which is 70% duel carriageway at 60/70mph.
Any information would be much appreciated.
Cheers.
Currently own a 2.0 Mk3 mx5. Looking for something quicker, more practical and fuel efficient. Was originally looking at E90 330d's but have come across the jaguar XF S (271bhp twin turbo diesel). Does anyone have experience of driving/running these cars? How would running costs compare and would I be bored? My commute is 35 miles round trip which is 70% duel carriageway at 60/70mph.
Any information would be much appreciated.
Cheers.
They're good cars like all diesels as long as you're doing the mileage you shouldn't have any major issues:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Alternatives:
CLS320cdi
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Infiniti M GT
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Alternatives:
CLS320cdi
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Infiniti M GT
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
got 2 in the family
some very minor niggles between them (water ingress into the number plate lights is the only problem so far between them honestly cant say a bad word against them ones a taxi ones a toy.
great cars but just check the spec of what your buying rather than the exact trim level- not uncommon for lower trims to be specced up and higher trims to be bare bones, aim for a 3.0d S Portfolio if you can but check what boxes have been ticked that said the only must haves are the bowers and wilkins stereo and the heated and cooled seats
although top tip the 240 and 275 are exactly the same lump and both map to well north of 300 bhp although you tend to find the 275 comes with teh bigger brakes as standard (355mm) rather than 326mm
highly underrated cars and always overlooked in favour of the german metal
some very minor niggles between them (water ingress into the number plate lights is the only problem so far between them honestly cant say a bad word against them ones a taxi ones a toy.
great cars but just check the spec of what your buying rather than the exact trim level- not uncommon for lower trims to be specced up and higher trims to be bare bones, aim for a 3.0d S Portfolio if you can but check what boxes have been ticked that said the only must haves are the bowers and wilkins stereo and the heated and cooled seats
although top tip the 240 and 275 are exactly the same lump and both map to well north of 300 bhp although you tend to find the 275 comes with teh bigger brakes as standard (355mm) rather than 326mm
highly underrated cars and always overlooked in favour of the german metal
They're good cars like all diesels as long as you're doing the mileage you shouldn't have any major issues:
Portfolio S with 80k or less.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Alternatives:
CLS320cdi
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Infiniti M GT
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Portfolio S with 80k or less.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Alternatives:
CLS320cdi
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Infiniti M GT
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Monday 16th December 21:56
budget means your looking at prefacelift cars personally i'd spend a bit under budget and get a decent car with a bit of kitty behind you still
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
something like this
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
something like this
I've got the a pre-face lift 275 version and its great. Had it just under 2 years and it spends 90% of its time on dull motorway slog on a Sunday night/Monday morning and friday afternoon.
Good points -
Quick - kicksdown well in sport mode and I've got paddles for more fun.
Handles well - sport mode sharpens things up and makes for a very different time
Stereo - 3 levels, basic, upgraded and then either B&W on earlier ones or Meridian, I've got the middle set up and its pretty good
Upgraded sports seats - heated and cooled, 18 way electric memory seats are fantastic, the more normal seats were uncomfortable for me
Economy - on my dull commute I get high 40s.
Reliable - Had to replace a window regulator is the only extra work I've had to do.
20" alloys look great
Bad points -
Not as much room in the back as you'd expect
Built in sat nav is a bit rubbish
Ride on 20"s is not the Jaguar magic carpet but drove a friends on 18" wheels and that was better, although mine is still a much better ride than the % series and A6 I tried.
Good points -
Quick - kicksdown well in sport mode and I've got paddles for more fun.
Handles well - sport mode sharpens things up and makes for a very different time
Stereo - 3 levels, basic, upgraded and then either B&W on earlier ones or Meridian, I've got the middle set up and its pretty good
Upgraded sports seats - heated and cooled, 18 way electric memory seats are fantastic, the more normal seats were uncomfortable for me
Economy - on my dull commute I get high 40s.
Reliable - Had to replace a window regulator is the only extra work I've had to do.
20" alloys look great
Bad points -
Not as much room in the back as you'd expect
Built in sat nav is a bit rubbish
Ride on 20"s is not the Jaguar magic carpet but drove a friends on 18" wheels and that was better, although mine is still a much better ride than the % series and A6 I tried.
I owned a pre-facelift XF S Luxury (I.e. base spec) and loved it:
1) Torque was immense, although I found the acceleration so effortless that I'd be doing silly speeds without realising.
2) It was a superb long-distance cruiser: very well insulated from road noise (I thought so, anyway) and around 40mpg very possible.
3) very comfortable: I had the upgraded sports seats from the XFR for some reason, but they were superb. 19 inch wheels as well.
5) sense of theatre: the gear selector rising, the vents opening and the stop/start button beating like a heart were lovely, dramatic touches that made it feel special every time.
6) quick clear windscreen: I miss this so much!
7) Although it was a noticeably large car, it did handle brilliantly (like Jags should), albeit without too much in terms of entertainment (more feel than an Audi though).
I was sad to see mine go, but I started getting loads of expensive looking DPF warnings: I'm told the facelifted version had the DPF moved so it heated up faster. I suspect long commutes might mean this wouldn't be an issue.
Also, I found mine chewed through brake pads/discs like nobody's business, so check these have been changed recently.
If you're doing enough miles, I'd say go for it. I swapped mine for a Golf GTI, and whilst far cheaper to run, it's inferior in nearly every way...
1) Torque was immense, although I found the acceleration so effortless that I'd be doing silly speeds without realising.
2) It was a superb long-distance cruiser: very well insulated from road noise (I thought so, anyway) and around 40mpg very possible.
3) very comfortable: I had the upgraded sports seats from the XFR for some reason, but they were superb. 19 inch wheels as well.
5) sense of theatre: the gear selector rising, the vents opening and the stop/start button beating like a heart were lovely, dramatic touches that made it feel special every time.
6) quick clear windscreen: I miss this so much!
7) Although it was a noticeably large car, it did handle brilliantly (like Jags should), albeit without too much in terms of entertainment (more feel than an Audi though).
I was sad to see mine go, but I started getting loads of expensive looking DPF warnings: I'm told the facelifted version had the DPF moved so it heated up faster. I suspect long commutes might mean this wouldn't be an issue.
Also, I found mine chewed through brake pads/discs like nobody's business, so check these have been changed recently.
If you're doing enough miles, I'd say go for it. I swapped mine for a Golf GTI, and whilst far cheaper to run, it's inferior in nearly every way...
I purchased a 2012 3.0d Luxury a month ago to replace a Mercedes S-class.
The biggest compliment I can pay it is it has impressed me more than I thought it would.
The engine and ZF box are very well matched, quiet with effortless real world performance.
Most cars for sale seem to have either 19" or 20" wheels, which are ok in isolation and it also depends on what level of ride compliance you are used too but after driving a few I decided that I needed a car with 17/18" wheels so held on for one to appear on the market as a private sale.
As someone else has mentioned the rear seat space isn't as big as you may think, both a 5-series and E-class (owned both previously) have more headroom, E-class also has marginally more legroom.
Driven just over a 1000 miles and have averaged 37 in that time, that's a mix of journey profiles and calculated with the road trip fuel app, dash suggests 39.5.
I had an intermittent rattle in the drivers door which after some Googling seems a common issue which is also an easy DIY fix - remove door card, speaker panel and pop the window regulator cables individually in some foam insulation - job done!
I'd also recommend getting 4-wheel laser alignment carried out, the front tyres on mine were just starting to show signs of uneven wear, driving the car once aligned was night & day different - steering much more direct and accurate, even thought the initial figures weren't miles away from factory spec.
No other issues to report (touch wood).
The car is booked in for cambelt's in January - coming up for 97k miles.
One thing to note on this is lots of places quote £300-400, which is technically 1/2 a job as that's only replacing the front belt, not the rear as well.
Happy XF hunting!
Cheers,
Chris
The biggest compliment I can pay it is it has impressed me more than I thought it would.
The engine and ZF box are very well matched, quiet with effortless real world performance.
Most cars for sale seem to have either 19" or 20" wheels, which are ok in isolation and it also depends on what level of ride compliance you are used too but after driving a few I decided that I needed a car with 17/18" wheels so held on for one to appear on the market as a private sale.
As someone else has mentioned the rear seat space isn't as big as you may think, both a 5-series and E-class (owned both previously) have more headroom, E-class also has marginally more legroom.
Driven just over a 1000 miles and have averaged 37 in that time, that's a mix of journey profiles and calculated with the road trip fuel app, dash suggests 39.5.
I had an intermittent rattle in the drivers door which after some Googling seems a common issue which is also an easy DIY fix - remove door card, speaker panel and pop the window regulator cables individually in some foam insulation - job done!
I'd also recommend getting 4-wheel laser alignment carried out, the front tyres on mine were just starting to show signs of uneven wear, driving the car once aligned was night & day different - steering much more direct and accurate, even thought the initial figures weren't miles away from factory spec.
No other issues to report (touch wood).
The car is booked in for cambelt's in January - coming up for 97k miles.
One thing to note on this is lots of places quote £300-400, which is technically 1/2 a job as that's only replacing the front belt, not the rear as well.
Happy XF hunting!
Cheers,
Chris
for those saying its not entertaning you really need to disable DSC (press the traction control button down and hold for 10 seconds) . this removes all the nanny aids, stick it in dynamic sport and sport manual and you have an infinitely chuckable car. that will drift for fun.
agree wholly about getting the alignment perfect,
close enough isnt good enough as it will feel unstable at speed.
good shout on the 20's just a tad too big for the car
agree wholly about getting the alignment perfect,
close enough isnt good enough as it will feel unstable at speed.
good shout on the 20's just a tad too big for the car
Good cars, they have a few niggles but all cars pretty much do. Excellent suspension setup and always nice to drive. Glides over our crap roads with the 18" wheels. Amazing sound system (well the Meridian Surround one is anyway but people say the B&W is just as good).
The three major issues which can occur, although I've not suffered them are:
The secondary turbo actuator which can stick from someone driving too slow all the time (need to get it above 2800 rpm now and then). It's not expensive nor difficult to replace.
Then there's the intercooler at the plastic part which can split. They stupidly carried this intercooler over from the x-type. Probably around £400 for parts and fitting at a good indy. There was rumours of a redesigned part but I don't think it was true. I have noticed that it appears to be predominately 'S' versions which suffer this. Possibly the extra 100 Nm of torque could be too much for it over time.
Finally the inlet manifolds which are plastic like most cars these days and they can split. The revised part apparently doesn't do it. A little more expensive due to the labour involved and often if one goes you may as well do both. I can't remember but I'm sure a good indy can do both for under a grand.
Also, some cars can suffer water ingress into the CJB due to the windscreen washer pump capillary action up a wire. It's easy to check for and an easy fix.
Jaguar customer service is truly shocking so forget about any help from them but don't let that put you off buying one, just make sure you have a good indy and avoid main dealers.
The three major issues which can occur, although I've not suffered them are:
The secondary turbo actuator which can stick from someone driving too slow all the time (need to get it above 2800 rpm now and then). It's not expensive nor difficult to replace.
Then there's the intercooler at the plastic part which can split. They stupidly carried this intercooler over from the x-type. Probably around £400 for parts and fitting at a good indy. There was rumours of a redesigned part but I don't think it was true. I have noticed that it appears to be predominately 'S' versions which suffer this. Possibly the extra 100 Nm of torque could be too much for it over time.
Finally the inlet manifolds which are plastic like most cars these days and they can split. The revised part apparently doesn't do it. A little more expensive due to the labour involved and often if one goes you may as well do both. I can't remember but I'm sure a good indy can do both for under a grand.
Also, some cars can suffer water ingress into the CJB due to the windscreen washer pump capillary action up a wire. It's easy to check for and an easy fix.
Jaguar customer service is truly shocking so forget about any help from them but don't let that put you off buying one, just make sure you have a good indy and avoid main dealers.
Hi all,
Sorry for the late response. Lots of knowledge here, glad I wrote the post. Not too worried about space in the back as I currently have an MX5, so any back space will be a novelty. Will I find the Jag much quicker than the MX5? It's only 160hp, but weighs as much as a shoe, easily gets to 60 in the low 7's and I've achieved the 'claimed' top speed easily.
Also, is 80k high millage for these cars, I've got a good friend who does many of my repairs for me in his garage (shocks, oil change, brakes and pads etc),
wouldn't want to be buying a car I'm having to repair a lot as the MX5 has been flawless over 5 years of ownership.
Final question, really want xenon so seems portfolio is the only way to go, but not keen on the 20" rims, are the tires on these ridiculously expensive?
Happy New Year,
Many thanks,
Lewis.
Sorry for the late response. Lots of knowledge here, glad I wrote the post. Not too worried about space in the back as I currently have an MX5, so any back space will be a novelty. Will I find the Jag much quicker than the MX5? It's only 160hp, but weighs as much as a shoe, easily gets to 60 in the low 7's and I've achieved the 'claimed' top speed easily.
Also, is 80k high millage for these cars, I've got a good friend who does many of my repairs for me in his garage (shocks, oil change, brakes and pads etc),
wouldn't want to be buying a car I'm having to repair a lot as the MX5 has been flawless over 5 years of ownership.
Final question, really want xenon so seems portfolio is the only way to go, but not keen on the 20" rims, are the tires on these ridiculously expensive?
Happy New Year,
Many thanks,
Lewis.
LBT said:
Hi all,
Sorry for the late response. Lots of knowledge here, glad I wrote the post. Not too worried about space in the back as I currently have an MX5, so any back space will be a novelty. Will I find the Jag much quicker than the MX5? It's only 160hp, but weighs as much as a shoe, easily gets to 60 in the low 7's and I've achieved the 'claimed' top speed easily.
Also, is 80k high millage for these cars, I've got a good friend who does many of my repairs for me in his garage (shocks, oil change, brakes and pads etc),
wouldn't want to be buying a car I'm having to repair a lot as the MX5 has been flawless over 5 years of ownership.
Final question, really want xenon so seems portfolio is the only way to go, but not keen on the 20" rims, are the tires on these ridiculously expensive?
Happy New Year,
Many thanks,
Lewis.
In order (and from my point of view):Sorry for the late response. Lots of knowledge here, glad I wrote the post. Not too worried about space in the back as I currently have an MX5, so any back space will be a novelty. Will I find the Jag much quicker than the MX5? It's only 160hp, but weighs as much as a shoe, easily gets to 60 in the low 7's and I've achieved the 'claimed' top speed easily.
Also, is 80k high millage for these cars, I've got a good friend who does many of my repairs for me in his garage (shocks, oil change, brakes and pads etc),
wouldn't want to be buying a car I'm having to repair a lot as the MX5 has been flawless over 5 years of ownership.
Final question, really want xenon so seems portfolio is the only way to go, but not keen on the 20" rims, are the tires on these ridiculously expensive?
Happy New Year,
Many thanks,
Lewis.
1) the XF S will be much faster to 60 (as mentioned, the torque is incredible), but probably won't feel it. The aforementioned torque and sound insulation make even rapid acceleration effortless, so keep a close eye on the speedo!
2) I've heard the 3 litre diesels fitted to these have a decent lifespan (although see the comments above about 'unwise' material choices Jaguar made in the XF's development). I'd consider 80k to be late middle ages, but different mileages for different... needs.
3) I think xenons were an option: I had a 'Luxury' trim, but it came with xenons (and the XFR-esque sports seats!). Pre-facelift by the way.
bobsavage789 said:
In order (and from my point of view):
1) the XF S will be much faster to 60 (as mentioned, the torque is incredible), but probably won't feel it. The aforementioned torque and sound insulation make even rapid acceleration effortless, so keep a close eye on the speedo!
2) I've heard the 3 litre diesels fitted to these have a decent lifespan (although see the comments above about 'unwise' material choices Jaguar made in the XF's development). I'd consider 80k to be late middle ages, but different mileages for different... needs.
3) I think xenons were an option: I had a 'Luxury' trim, but it came with xenons (and the XFR-esque sports seats!). Pre-facelift by the way.
Thanks for the quick response, I guess my next step now is to get out there and try one. Never driven one before so excited to have a crack. 1) the XF S will be much faster to 60 (as mentioned, the torque is incredible), but probably won't feel it. The aforementioned torque and sound insulation make even rapid acceleration effortless, so keep a close eye on the speedo!
2) I've heard the 3 litre diesels fitted to these have a decent lifespan (although see the comments above about 'unwise' material choices Jaguar made in the XF's development). I'd consider 80k to be late middle ages, but different mileages for different... needs.
3) I think xenons were an option: I had a 'Luxury' trim, but it came with xenons (and the XFR-esque sports seats!). Pre-facelift by the way.
Had the MX5 six years, and it's been flawless in every way, can only hope the Jag is just as good !
LBT said:
Hi all,
Sorry for the late response. Lots of knowledge here, glad I wrote the post. Not too worried about space in the back as I currently have an MX5, so any back space will be a novelty. Will I find the Jag much quicker than the MX5? It's only 160hp, but weighs as much as a shoe, easily gets to 60 in the low 7's and I've achieved the 'claimed' top speed easily.
Also, is 80k high millage for these cars, I've got a good friend who does many of my repairs for me in his garage (shocks, oil change, brakes and pads etc),
wouldn't want to be buying a car I'm having to repair a lot as the MX5 has been flawless over 5 years of ownership.
Final question, really want xenon so seems portfolio is the only way to go, but not keen on the 20" rims, are the tires on these ridiculously expensive?
Happy New Year,
Many thanks,
Lewis.
I'd recommend 18" wheels, even with the XF's excellent suspension it still works hard on our disgusting roads. 80k miles wouldn't bother me. The timing belt on the facelift 3.0d V6 is due at 7 years or 112k miles and it's not hugely expensive. Sorry for the late response. Lots of knowledge here, glad I wrote the post. Not too worried about space in the back as I currently have an MX5, so any back space will be a novelty. Will I find the Jag much quicker than the MX5? It's only 160hp, but weighs as much as a shoe, easily gets to 60 in the low 7's and I've achieved the 'claimed' top speed easily.
Also, is 80k high millage for these cars, I've got a good friend who does many of my repairs for me in his garage (shocks, oil change, brakes and pads etc),
wouldn't want to be buying a car I'm having to repair a lot as the MX5 has been flawless over 5 years of ownership.
Final question, really want xenon so seems portfolio is the only way to go, but not keen on the 20" rims, are the tires on these ridiculously expensive?
Happy New Year,
Many thanks,
Lewis.
Brakes are very easy to work on and the EPB can be reset in the car easily without any special tools or scan tools. Oil change is incredibly easy as it's done through a purpose oil extraction tube in the engine bay which goes right to the very bottom of the sump; the oil filter is on top as well. No need to get under the car.
The standard 3.0d V6 is 240bhp with 500Nm of torque and is plenty for our roads. However, the knowledge that the 'S' is 275bhp with 600Nm of torque will probably leave you wanting. They are exactly the same engine but simply have different maps, so a remap can take both of them to around 320bhp and over 600Nm of torque. The excellent ZF8 transmission in the facelift is rated to 700Nm.
The Premium Luxury has bi-xenon lights and can also come with upgraded sound systems. There's the standard Jaguar which I believe is ok, the entry Meridian with is 380 watt, 12-channel 11 speaker system. Then there's the Meridian "Surround" (as stamped on the speakers) which is 825 watt, 15-channel 17 speaker system and is excellent. Facelift Portfolio comes with the Meridian "Surround" as standard. (more info here: https://www.meridian-audio.info/public/meridian-xf...
I also believe, although struggle to find any solid evidence on this, that the facelift has a revised crank to prevent the sleeves from rotating, blocking an oil hole and starving it of oil (or something along these lines). I like to believe it is true! lol
If diesel then I would go for the facelift 3.0d V6 Portfolio 'S' on 18" wheels if possible. However, it is Euro 5, so the 3.0i V6 petrol may be an alternative to consider.
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