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Ok guys and gals, i finally pick my dream jago geep up on the 10th July.
Ive been looking for a bullbar as my doesnt have one, ive had some response but have since gone dead. Im looking at spending around 25-30 pound plus postage.
Another concern i have is we have an 18 month old little girl, how would i go about changing the seatbelts so they would pass safety standards for her car seat to be safe in the back ???
Any help on these subjects would be a great help from you Jago masters :-)
Dave
Ive been looking for a bullbar as my doesnt have one, ive had some response but have since gone dead. Im looking at spending around 25-30 pound plus postage.
Another concern i have is we have an 18 month old little girl, how would i go about changing the seatbelts so they would pass safety standards for her car seat to be safe in the back ???
Any help on these subjects would be a great help from you Jago masters :-)
Dave
most rear jago seats ive seen have lap belts or none at all
if you need to replicate the 3 point mounting then you have to make a strong metal mounting bar to mount the top of the inertia reel belt which would be unsightly and have to go through the floor to mount to chassis
are there any seats still available that mount permanently into cars?
i seem to recall bolting things under seats and having straps that encircled the back seat to hold kiddy seat securely - or are they all the same now???
if you need to replicate the 3 point mounting then you have to make a strong metal mounting bar to mount the top of the inertia reel belt which would be unsightly and have to go through the floor to mount to chassis
are there any seats still available that mount permanently into cars?
i seem to recall bolting things under seats and having straps that encircled the back seat to hold kiddy seat securely - or are they all the same now???
I recently fitted a lap belt into the rear of my Geep for the fold down rear seat. I simply drilled 3 holes (2 for the belt)in the rear floor , then placed a spreader bar underneath to add more strength.
My seat is only for occasional use and as the Geep retains the donor vehicle ID/age it does not require rear belts to be fitted , but it is there for my peace of mind.
From an MOT point of view I understand that a vehicle may be failed if the seat belt mountings are not in an approved position , for fitting a baby seat I would seriously consider some way of mounting it directly to/through the chassis.
Mark
My seat is only for occasional use and as the Geep retains the donor vehicle ID/age it does not require rear belts to be fitted , but it is there for my peace of mind.
From an MOT point of view I understand that a vehicle may be failed if the seat belt mountings are not in an approved position , for fitting a baby seat I would seriously consider some way of mounting it directly to/through the chassis.
Mark
Dave,
has it already got a rear seat fitted?
I'm in the same situation and pondering what to do.
You basically need a crossmember between the chassis rails to bolt the seat belt sockets to, and somewhere to bolt the reels and top mounts either side of the seat. The top mounts MUST be directly above the reels so the belt has a straight run between the two.
Where you fit your reels & top mounts will depend on the size of the seat.
Some members have fitted a tube to the rollbar running across behind the seats for the top mounts. Another method is to fit minibus seats with integral seatbelts - but of course the seats must be attached directly to the chassis.
My current plan is to mount a 1.5x3" strut vertically behind either side of the seat. I've got the steel but havent yet mounted it. I plan to weld a plate at the base & bottom side - to mount on the steel strap to which the roll bar mounts, and along the chassis rail to spread the load a bit. The reels & top mounts can bolt to the struts - an angle iron between the two can take the sockets. Trouble is i'll have to remove the tank to drill the holes.
A bit heavy duty but would all be better done at the build stage with the body off. Trouble is - Geeps weren't designed for four seats.
If you want to discuss it further drop us an email.
Swizz...
has it already got a rear seat fitted?
I'm in the same situation and pondering what to do.
You basically need a crossmember between the chassis rails to bolt the seat belt sockets to, and somewhere to bolt the reels and top mounts either side of the seat. The top mounts MUST be directly above the reels so the belt has a straight run between the two.
Where you fit your reels & top mounts will depend on the size of the seat.
Some members have fitted a tube to the rollbar running across behind the seats for the top mounts. Another method is to fit minibus seats with integral seatbelts - but of course the seats must be attached directly to the chassis.
My current plan is to mount a 1.5x3" strut vertically behind either side of the seat. I've got the steel but havent yet mounted it. I plan to weld a plate at the base & bottom side - to mount on the steel strap to which the roll bar mounts, and along the chassis rail to spread the load a bit. The reels & top mounts can bolt to the struts - an angle iron between the two can take the sockets. Trouble is i'll have to remove the tank to drill the holes.
A bit heavy duty but would all be better done at the build stage with the body off. Trouble is - Geeps weren't designed for four seats.
If you want to discuss it further drop us an email.
Swizz...
discussed this in the pub... mot testers engineers and a few people who had a sensible input
child safety is critical - obviously
the rear seats are probably bolted to the wooden floor at a guess - take them out
so then you have a flat wooden floored pickup bed
a blank canvass
take as heavy a duty material as you can work with
scaffold or thick square tubing of at least 2 or 3 inches
bolt 2 sections to chassis across rear floor
with spacers underneath so they are bolted through chassis
then from this 2 channel crossmember build a safety cage which you can now attatch a seat belt mounting system to
its your child so overengineering is a must
and just to be safe bolt and weld it
a weld will break but if its bolted it will give a little so do both and when child grows remove it all or modify
mini survival cell that fits in the back a bit like some powerboats use - the more triangulation of everything the better
but the most important thing is a strong attatchment to the chassis
if the rear seat is just screwed to the floor i'd doubt that was a good start even with spreader plates etc this seems a popular theme maybe we could get a generic design drawn up?
i have a friend that designs automotive things for a living and has done for a long time if there is interest i will hassle him to look at it in a proper way
well get him to promise the earth when he's pissed and hold him to it lol
child safety is critical - obviously
the rear seats are probably bolted to the wooden floor at a guess - take them out
so then you have a flat wooden floored pickup bed
a blank canvass
take as heavy a duty material as you can work with
scaffold or thick square tubing of at least 2 or 3 inches
bolt 2 sections to chassis across rear floor
with spacers underneath so they are bolted through chassis
then from this 2 channel crossmember build a safety cage which you can now attatch a seat belt mounting system to
its your child so overengineering is a must
and just to be safe bolt and weld it
a weld will break but if its bolted it will give a little so do both and when child grows remove it all or modify
mini survival cell that fits in the back a bit like some powerboats use - the more triangulation of everything the better
but the most important thing is a strong attatchment to the chassis
if the rear seat is just screwed to the floor i'd doubt that was a good start even with spreader plates etc this seems a popular theme maybe we could get a generic design drawn up?
i have a friend that designs automotive things for a living and has done for a long time if there is interest i will hassle him to look at it in a proper way
well get him to promise the earth when he's pissed and hold him to it lol
on nine the belts are standard front fitting one's bolted through the roll cage! its a little lower than the fronts so great for kiddies or works ok on adults if worn under the arm as apposed to over ur shoulder! as for the fastener mine has a metal plate welded on from chassis beam to chassis beam across and has again standard front fit fasteners up through the seat! i guess anyone can see it at newark if they going!
Mal
Mal
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