Toyota Celica GT-i 16 | Spotted
Toyota Celica GT-i 16 | Spotted
Thursday 19th December 2019

Toyota Celica GT-i 16 | Spotted

Hang on, an interesting classic car that isn't a million pounds? Tell me more...



Even a decade after its introduction, the impact of the first scrappage scheme is still being felt, with swathes of interesting old cars having been wiped off our roads forever. Actually, that's not strictly true, because it was probably all the subsequent (and ongoing) scrappage schemes which really did it, eager customers only too willing to get cash off a new, shiny car in exchange for their old hunk of junk.

It's easy to understand the popularity of the idea, but it's played havoc with the classic car market. Because so few old cars now apparently exist, every man and their dog assumes their vehicle is a rare and desirable classic, when once upon a time it would have just been another run-of-the-mill supermini or saloon. It could be of some interest, yes, but only because you haven't seen one in ages - not necessarily because it was ever any good.

A corollary of that has been that the genuinely good old cars are now worth loadsa money, meaning the joy of finding a usable, interesting, well maintained classic has become much more of a mission. Of course it's been said plenty since 2009, but we really were spoilt by the availability of affordable classics in the 2000s.


Want proof? Look on PH for something from the 1980s for less than £7,000. Escort, Golf and 205 Cabriolets, an Astra 1.3 Celebrity, old Volvos, front-engined Porsches that have been to the moon and back... there's precious little to get excited about, really. But then there's the Celica.

Yep, this 1987 GT-i 16 is for sale at £4,995. Those that want the 80s aesthetic will be happy - pop-up lights, two-tone paint, Blue Herringbone velour - those that want a usable classic will be happy - loads of history, sensible mileage, good condition - and those that want something fun will be happy. This isn't a GT-Four, granted, but this is still a 150hp, lightweight coupe with a manual gearbox, a redline at 7,000rpm and 130mph potential.

Of course, as a car that's 33 years old next year, this Celica isn't something to throw around like a new GT86, but we are now reaching a point where classic cars exist that are way more resilient than those just a few years older. This was the time that the Japanese were really establishing themselves on the global car scene - this model on sale just two years before the first NSX and the R32 Skyline GT-R - and the obsession with durability and over-engineering is paying dividends even now. Put it this way: would you rather attempt a journey this weekend in a Celica from the late 80s, or the Ford Capri of a similar mileage and vintage that's a bit more expensive?


And although there will be those that suggest the 1980s is far too modern to be considered classic, think of everything that this Spotted represents that has now been abandoned: front-wheel drive coupes are no longer a thing, in fact sports cars from mainstream brands are rare, and you'll do well to find an atmospheric 2.0-litre engine with a manual gearbox. The closest parallel, handily enough, is with a GT86. Albeit powering the other wheels.

So while the Celica won't be the fastest, most exotic or most prestigious car at the café meet, it does go to show that intriguing classics are still available at sensible enough money. Now more than ever it's a tough job, yes, but if you look in the right places it can be a rewarding one too.


SPECIFICATION - TOYOTA CELICA GT-I 16
Engine:
1,998cc, four-cyl
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 156@6,600rpm
Torque (lb ft): 137@4,800rpm
MPG: 30 or so
CO2: N/A
First registered: 1987
Recorded mileage: 105,000
Price new: c. £12,000
Yours for: £4,995

See the original advert here



Author
Discussion

jzakariya

Original Poster:

186 posts

144 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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'Interesting' in this case is very much a matter of opinion.
It's a rather bland looking, slightly under powered car with a frankly ridiculous interior.
I'd say the later models were more interesting.

fieldmau5

180 posts

194 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Given the year this car came out, I don't think it's under powered at all.

Eazy71

162 posts

82 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Not convinced by this one - of all the Celicas I can recall, this generation (in my view) is the least memorable. Not sure it would be anywhere near “classic” status if it weren’t for the scarcity and crazy prices of other options....

Baddie

787 posts

243 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Back in the day these set the dynamic benchmark for their ilk.

147 hp, 158 came in the version after this

sjabrown

2,079 posts

186 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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This would be very very desirable if it was RWD. Nevertheless it does look an interesting, rare car with a decent bit of performance for the era.

AmosMoses

4,059 posts

191 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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I always loved the shape of these, such a good looking car for the time.

Deerfoot

5,198 posts

210 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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jzakariya said:
It's a rather bland looking, slightly under powered car with a frankly ridiculous interior.
It`s over 30 years old, I`d say both the exterior and interior look pretty good. It`s aged very well IMHO.

jackbarclay

55 posts

204 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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A guy down my road has a white one of these. It looks great to my eyes. But as the article says, mostly just because I haven't seen one in years.

Steamer

14,141 posts

239 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Lovely.

By coincidence (big coincidence because there can't be many left running) There was one in the supermarket carpark yesterday.. it looked tiny! Really showed how everything has increased in size as these were by no means a small car 'back in the day'.

I believe the slightly later 89 / 90 had a bit more power.

I don't think the two-tone does it any favors though.

Duke of Kidderminster

761 posts

153 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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where's the emoji for vomiting blood? that's about as interesting and desirable as a turd sandwich

knebworth01

196 posts

146 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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I used to hanker after one of these as a kid in the 80's. This one has got the all important rear clear plastic roof spoiler missing though? That was the coolest thing to me at the time - it said Celica or Toyota (cant remember now!) that reflected in reverse on the rear glass!
Looked at plenty of used ones of these in the mid 90's once I was driving and they were plentyful for around the £750 mark. I never took the plunge though - always bought something else.
Cool car, but still too much for £5k.

Turbobanana

8,151 posts

227 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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PH said:
It's easy to understand the popularity of the idea, but it's played havoc with the classic car market.
Not sure that's quite right.

For context, I was working at a Hyundai dealership when the original Scrappage Scheme was introduced. As you may know, Hyundai was the biggest beneficiary of the scheme, with the i10 topping the Scrappage Scheme sales charts. While it's true that we did take in a few bona fide classics (Porsche 944, Audi 90 quattro and a Morris Minor being the highlights), the majority of stuff we took in was pretty ordinary white goods. Given the electronic, disposable nature of cars from the '90s onwards, where they're replaced rather than repaired like older cars would have been, this generation was destined for "the big car park" anyway sooner or later. Pride of ownership is way less now than it was, in part due to cars often being "bought" on lease / finance packages rather than from savings.

It was a hideous time to be involved in car sales, and was the reason I quit the job, never to go back. Far too many people who didn't need a new car were duped into finance they couldn't afford (by the dealers, under duress) because their old shed was suddenly worth £2000, or - with manufacturer's subsidies - anything up to £7000 against a Hyundai Sonata.

While I'm on my soap box, what's with the comments of this Celica being "underpowered", "uninteresting" and "bland"? It's 30+ years old and, as someone else has said, was in no way underpowered or boring back in the day. These were - and are - good cars that drove well, were reliable and fun. They were an important step in the process of developing the efficient, powerful stuff we all take for granted today. See "Darwin's Origin of the Species" for guidance on how evolution works.

Arsecati

2,749 posts

143 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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My Mum had a 1988 version all black. I bloody loved it back then!! I only passed my test in 89, so had to wait a bit before getting to take it out, but FWD and 150bhp or not...... it was MORE than enough for me and I loved it! As for those pop-up lights? Winner all day long. Funnily enough, she had that car for donkeys years, but due to uni/travelling/living/working in another country, it was more than 10 years before I drove it again - purely for nostalgia purposes (she really did love it that much!). I have to say, that even in the late 90's and my later 20's - I do remember it still looking the dogs cojones and it putting a smile on my face. I think it looked great in the 3 main colours of Black, Red and White.... but I really didn't like this blue colour: just looks wrong to me.

Steamer

14,141 posts

239 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Arsecati said:
I think it looked great in the 3 main colours of Black, Red and White....
Don't forget silver and the darker metallic grey - really suited the shape (looked like a shark in grey)

I think this stock photo puts it back into context / era it came from;



Lotusgone

1,625 posts

153 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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That's a fair call for a £5k car, but I would sooner have a mk1 MR2 from the same era, even with the origami styling.

JD2329

509 posts

194 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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This appeared during something of a sweet spot for Toyota, along with the Mk1 MR2 and 16V Corollas. The period Supra was also pretty handy despite being a bit of a chest wig chariot.
These Celicas could really handle, with the benefit of a supple ride - something rather harder to find these days. The subsequent model was not as good looking although had a bit more power.
Ultimately I think it suffered from only being a 2.0 4 cylinder, and lost sales ground in the end to larger engined rivals that offered more performance and refinement.
This one’s not in the beat colour, inside or out, but it is an appealing, simple and capable car.

HM-2

12,467 posts

195 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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I actually had one of these, an '84 model in white as my "first" car, though I never managed to find anyone who would insure me on it so I never drove it!
Cost me £180, bought off a colleague at my weekend job entirely because it had a set of those lovely OZ-Sparco Rally wheels on it.

cerb4.5lee

42,813 posts

206 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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fieldmau5 said:
Given the year this car came out, I don't think it's under powered at all.
Me neither. My 1989 2.9 V6 xr4x4 only mustered 150bhp, and this has a smaller engine yet is still more powerful.

I've always liked the shape of these and nostalgia for 1980's stuff always grabs me.

BFleming

3,892 posts

169 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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A friend of my brother had one from new in 1987. White, and a surprise gift for his 18th birthday from his solicitor Dad. It went well enough from what I remember! I lusted after it, until the next gen T180 came out in 1989/90 - I'd still like one of them!

PATTERNPART

693 posts

227 months

Thursday 19th December 2019
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Turbobanana said:
PH said:
It's easy to understand the popularity of the idea, but it's played havoc with the classic car market.
Not sure that's quite right.

For context, I was working at a Hyundai dealership when the original Scrappage Scheme was introduced. As you may know, Hyundai was the biggest beneficiary of the scheme, with the i10 topping the Scrappage Scheme sales charts. While it's true that we did take in a few bona fide classics (Porsche 944, Audi 90 quattro and a Morris Minor being the highlights), the majority of stuff we took in was pretty ordinary white goods. Given the electronic, disposable nature of cars from the '90s onwards, where they're replaced rather than repaired like older cars would have been, this generation was destined for "the big car park" anyway sooner or later. Pride of ownership is way less now than it was, in part due to cars often being "bought" on lease / finance packages rather than from savings.

It was a hideous time to be involved in car sales, and was the reason I quit the job, never to go back. Far too many people who didn't need a new car were duped into finance they couldn't afford (by the dealers, under duress) because their old shed was suddenly worth £2000, or - with manufacturer's subsidies - anything up to £7000 against a Hyundai Sonata.

While I'm on my soap box, what's with the comments of this Celica being "underpowered", "uninteresting" and "bland"? It's 30+ years old and, as someone else has said, was in no way underpowered or boring back in the day. These were - and are - good cars that drove well, were reliable and fun. They were an important step in the process of developing the efficient, powerful stuff we all take for granted today. See "Darwin's Origin of the Species" for guidance on how evolution works.
What he said! I will say that it is a great looking car - at the time they were so common they were invisible but now they look refreshingly svelte and clean. Totota have hit the mark a few times with sports coupes.