When will this country learn

[MB140]

I don’t want to turn this in to a racial argument.

But one of the 4 already convicted of previous sexual assaults on underage girls appears to be at it again.

Four men jailed for sexually assaulting girl in Telford https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-5...

When will the courts finally realise releasing these people (I mean kiddy fiddles, not Asian men) back in to society is a bad idea and that in my opinion they can’t be rehabilitated. If you fancy women, you will always fancy women. If men are your thing then men wil always be your thing. This particular type like underage kids and will always want underage kids.

Just lock the fkers up and throw away the keys.

Edited by MB140 on Thursday 19th December 12:35

[TTwiggy]

This isn't really paedophillia though, it's exploitation of vulnerable girls. While there's merit in your argument that some people will always be sexually attracted to 'children', and as such difficult/impossible to rehabilitate, these men are abusing these girls not because they are 'young' but because of their vulnerability.

Harsh(er) sentences for the criminals is one option, but better protection for these kids, so that they do not find themselves in these circumstances in the first place, is the paramount concern.

[Smitters]

Interesting article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/SpZupvSACG/why-da...

[anonymous-user]

I'm sure there is this type of facility in the US. I remember Louis Theroux doc early 2000s on it, full of sex offenders whose predilection is underage.

I have no idea if this was just in that one state (wherever that was) or even if theres anything like it in the UK?

[AI1694]

I’m sorry but it is not ‘Asian’ men as that would make one think men from Indian, Bangladeshi, etc. backgrounds are the perpetrators when in fact it is almost solely those with Pakistani origins.

Yes, children should be better protected and safeguarded and sentences need to be tougher but until the British Pakistani community stands up and makes the effort to do something about this evil (which is also tarnishing the good Pakistani folk), not much will change.

[TTwiggy]

AI1694 said:

Yes, children should be better protected and safeguarded and sentences need to be tougher but until the British Pakistani community stands up and makes the effort to do something about this evil (which is also tarnishing the good Pakistani folk), not much will change.

This sort of statement always confuses me. Yes, you're right, it is almost exclusively a crime committed by British-born Pakistani males. But where do you think this 'community' leadership is meant to come from? The vast majority of UK paedophiles are white men; where is the community leadership from other white males on this?

[otolith]

MB140 said:

But one of the 4 already convicted of previous sexual assaults on underage girls appears to be at it again.

Erm. No. Not unless he has a time machine.

The man who was still in prison for offences of which he was convicted in 2013 has just been convicted of further offences committed between 2000 and 2003.

[Derek Smith]

i was involved in a case way back in 2002/3. An offender subjected a n 18-year-old woman to a series of sexual assaults of which rape was just one, and probably not the worst from the victim's point of view. He was awarded 7 years, out in a bit over 3 as he'd been remanded pretrial.

On release he assaulted women again. This time no penetration. Sentenced again. Out again.

The police realised that he would offend again so set up a surveillance on him. This was very expensive, and now would be impossible, but detective super Kemp agreed to it. He offended again. He was nicked again. He has an indeterminate sentence, but we know he'll be out again. Seven years minimum he got in 2012.

Everyone in the court: ushers, police, jury, judge, lawyers, know full well that as soon as he's out, he'll offend again.

We sentence more offenders to longer in prison that any other European country, yet still sentence those we know will offend again to sentences that are too short. We want to release all those unlikely to offend again and give them sentences that other countries, with lower rates of recidivism that the UK, tend to impose. Prison should be kept for those who pose a significant risk to the public. These people should be required to prove they won't offend again before release, and even then should be closely monitored on release.

This is just one such person, picked because I know about him. Here's his latest: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17479... and the one I was involved in https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/5137393.rape-suspe... There term 'indecent assault' hides an horrific truth.

[PositronicRay]

Countries don't learn, countries don't do anything in particular.

People learn.

[Fastchas]

TTwiggy said:

AI1694 said:

Yes, children should be better protected and safeguarded and sentences need to be tougher but until the British Pakistani community stands up and makes the effort to do something about this evil (which is also tarnishing the good Pakistani folk), not much will change.

This sort of statement always confuses me. Yes, you're right, it is almost exclusively a crime committed by British-born Pakistani males. But where do you think this 'community' leadership is meant to come from? The vast majority of UK paedophiles are white men; where is the community leadership from other white males on this?

How many male white gangs have been convicted of grooming Indian/Pakistani young girls and passing them around their co-accused for sex...? And threatening to kill their families or burn their houses down if they dare tell the authorities?

[robemcdonald]

MB140 said:

I don’t want to turn this in to a racial argument.

But one of the 4 already convicted of previous sexual assaults on underage girls appears to be at it again.

Four men jailed for sexually assaulting girl in Telford https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-5...

When will the courts finally realise releasing these people (I mean kiddy fiddles, not Asian men) back in to society is a bad idea and that in my opinion they can’t be rehabilitated. If you fancy women, you will always fancy women. If men are your thing then men wil always be your thing. This particular type like underage kids and will always want underage kids.

Just lock the fkers up and throw away the keys.

Edited by MB140 on Thursday 19th December 12:35

Did you actually read it before you got all angry?

He hasn’t been released. This is an additional conviction for different crimes.

[TTwiggy]

Fastchas said:

TTwiggy said:

AI1694 said:

Yes, children should be better protected and safeguarded and sentences need to be tougher but until the British Pakistani community stands up and makes the effort to do something about this evil (which is also tarnishing the good Pakistani folk), not much will change.

This sort of statement always confuses me. Yes, you're right, it is almost exclusively a crime committed by British-born Pakistani males. But where do you think this 'community' leadership is meant to come from? The vast majority of UK paedophiles are white men; where is the community leadership from other white males on this?

How many male white gangs have been convicted of grooming Indian/Pakistani young girls and passing them around their co-accused for sex...? And threatening to kill their families or burn their houses down if they dare tell the authorities?

As far as I know, none. But what does that have to do with the question I posed?

As a part (I assume) of the white male community, what are you doing about paedophilia?

[LP670]

there needs to be significant investment into building new prisons that will then allow the courts to give harsher sentences. life should mean life or the death penalty where there is irrefutable evidence.

[Fastchas]

TTwiggy said:

As far as I know, none. But what does that have to do with the question I posed?

As a part (I assume) of the white male community, what are you doing about paedophilia?

As part of the white male community, I am content with the Police's approach to prosecuting white males for paedophilia. I don't feel I need to voice any concern.

[yellowjack]

TTwiggy said:

This isn't really paedophillia though, it's exploitation of vulnerable girls. While there's merit in your argument that some people will always be sexually attracted to 'children', and as such difficult/impossible to rehabilitate, these men are abusing these girls not because they are 'young' but because of their vulnerability.

Harsh(er) sentences for the criminals is one option, but better protection for these kids, so that they do not find themselves in these circumstances in the first place, is the paramount concern.

This is key. It's all very well locking blokes up when they've done vile things to kids, but it would be far better if these kids were protected from such vile behaviour in the first place. A better question to ask (than asking why the British Pakistani community doesn't do something) is how come there is a seemingly endless supply of vulnerable kids for these horrible gangs and individuals to take advantage of. What is wider society as a whole getting so wrong that falling in with these gangs is even an option for the kids involved.

By all means come down hard with the full force of the law on anyone up to such unspeakable evil. But that comes 'after the fact'. Far, far better to stop it getting to that stage, because once a child is harmed in this way it will stay with them forever, in many cases undermining their confidence and affecting their relationships for life.

I know it's a bloke, and the abuser was allegedly a family member, but you've only got to look at the recent case of the poor chap who died up a chimney stack to see that the harm being done to vulnerable youngsters is much longer lasting, and further reaching than those of us who haven't suffered such abuse can possibly imagine.

[TTwiggy]

Fastchas said:

TTwiggy said:

As far as I know, none. But what does that have to do with the question I posed?

As a part (I assume) of the white male community, what are you doing about paedophilia?

As part of the white male community, I am content with the Police's approach to prosecuting white males for paedophilia. I don't feel I need to voice any concern.

Cool - I agree. So I assume you're not one of those people who think it's up to the Pakistani community to solve this problem?

[TTwiggy]

yellowjack said:

TTwiggy said:

This isn't really paedophillia though, it's exploitation of vulnerable girls. While there's merit in your argument that some people will always be sexually attracted to 'children', and as such difficult/impossible to rehabilitate, these men are abusing these girls not because they are 'young' but because of their vulnerability.

Harsh(er) sentences for the criminals is one option, but better protection for these kids, so that they do not find themselves in these circumstances in the first place, is the paramount concern.

This is key. It's all very well locking blokes up when they've done vile things to kids, but it would be far better if these kids were protected from such vile behaviour in the first place. A better question to ask (than asking why the British Pakistani community doesn't do something) is how come there is a seemingly endless supply of vulnerable kids for these horrible gangs and individuals to take advantage of. What is wider society as a whole getting so wrong that falling in with these gangs is even an option for the kids involved.

By all means come down hard with the full force of the law on anyone up to such unspeakable evil. But that comes 'after the fact'. Far, far better to stop it getting to that stage, because once a child is harmed in this way it will stay with them forever, in many cases undermining their confidence and affecting their relationships for life.

I know it's a bloke, and the abuser was allegedly a family member, but you've only got to look at the recent case of the poor chap who died up a chimney stack to see that the harm being done to vulnerable youngsters is much longer lasting, and further reaching than those of us who haven't suffered such abuse can possibly imagine.

Exactly. If the 'white community' continues to seemingly not a give a st as to the whereabouts of these young girls, or doesn't question why they are introducing 35-40 year-olds as their 'boyfriends', this will simply continue.

And no, I'm not 'victim blaming' here, before anyone pipes up – these girls are undeniably victims and their abusers need to be punished. But it's rather more complex than 'brown men bad'.

[yellowjack]

Derek Smith said:

...this is just one such person, picked because I know about him. Here's his latest: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17479... and the one I was involved in https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/5137393.rape-suspe... There term 'indecent assault' hides an horrific truth.

And reading those links drives me to despair. The courts and police knew him, knew he was a danger, but the judicial system put him back on the streets. Where the police felt compelled to wait until he actually committed another sexual assault "because evidence".

Don't get me wrong Derek. This isn't a dig at you, nor at the police. But the system is definitely broken when a KNOWN dangerous sexual offender has to be permitted to traumatise yet another young woman before he can be locked up AGAIN, yet not so very long ago the courts were busy jailing two dopey metal detectorists for about ten years apiece on account of how they "stole some coins" that were chucked in a hole by some Vikings and forgotten about for centuries.

I'm pretty sure that if "the system" wasn't so full of people like that locked in cells for five years at a time, then there would be some slack in the system to keep the Michael Phillipses of the world safely locked away under greater sentences for the protection of the public. The women and girls these offences are carried out upon are our wives, daughters, sisters, etc. And these offences destroy lives. The perpetrators need their freedom taken away for as long as it takes for them to prove they are no longer a threat. If that means no parole until they are so frail that they are reliant on a walking frame, then so be it.

[Four Litre]

TTwiggy said:

yellowjack said:

TTwiggy said:

This isn't really paedophillia though, it's exploitation of vulnerable girls. While there's merit in your argument that some people will always be sexually attracted to 'children', and as such difficult/impossible to rehabilitate, these men are abusing these girls not because they are 'young' but because of their vulnerability.

Harsh(er) sentences for the criminals is one option, but better protection for these kids, so that they do not find themselves in these circumstances in the first place, is the paramount concern.

This is key. It's all very well locking blokes up when they've done vile things to kids, but it would be far better if these kids were protected from such vile behaviour in the first place. A better question to ask (than asking why the British Pakistani community doesn't do something) is how come there is a seemingly endless supply of vulnerable kids for these horrible gangs and individuals to take advantage of. What is wider society as a whole getting so wrong that falling in with these gangs is even an option for the kids involved.

By all means come down hard with the full force of the law on anyone up to such unspeakable evil. But that comes 'after the fact'. Far, far better to stop it getting to that stage, because once a child is harmed in this way it will stay with them forever, in many cases undermining their confidence and affecting their relationships for life.

I know it's a bloke, and the abuser was allegedly a family member, but you've only got to look at the recent case of the poor chap who died up a chimney stack to see that the harm being done to vulnerable youngsters is much longer lasting, and further reaching than those of us who haven't suffered such abuse can possibly imagine.

Exactly. If the 'white community' continues to seemingly not a give a st as to the whereabouts of these young girls, or doesn't question why they are introducing 35-40 year-olds as their 'boyfriends', this will simply continue.

And no, I'm not 'victim blaming' here, before anyone pipes up – these girls are undeniably victims and their abusers need to be punished. But it's rather more complex than 'brown men bad'.

There does seem to be quite a common theme with Pakstani men grooming young girls. I wonder if this is more cultural issue as it does seem disproportionate. From what I am led to believe (from the news) is that rape is quite a big problem in Pakistan and India. I was on the phone to one of our offshore team, they all drop everything at 5pm to just on a bus to take them out of the complex. I asked why they couldn't stay on to help out, the answer "because we will get attacked and raped!". At the time I was working for a big UK bank.

One of our team went out there and was drugged, only made it back as we had assigned her a driver who was to wait at her beck and call.

Also I understand what we would view as underage sex is normal in Pakistan, and women are classed as second rate by a significant number, surely this is a cultural issue as ingrained views take a long while to change.

[Thales]

Sickening to see the left defend these animals. We really have lost our way.