Is This A Neo Nazi Thing?
Discussion
The other night I watched the old classic film The Longest Day. During and after I Googled some stuff to see how the film differed from real life and watched the Saving Private Ryan beach scene.
As always the cookie trail flooded my Amazon suggestions with books on war, Youtube with war documentaries, warfilm scenes and interesting stuff about WW2 rifles and machine guns. On the upside I've found an entertaining and engaging Youtuber call Lindybiege who has put out loads of interesting and informative stuff.
Something I have noticed in various comments sections is the level of sympathy German soldiers receive when dealing with resistance fighters and partisans and the level of anamosity and out and out anger aimed at civilians in occupied nations who took the decision to hear arms against the German army.
This is very new to me. In my day girls like this were heroines.
https://www-history-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www...
In the 1950s we'd have made a black and white film extoling their virtue, bravery, plucky spirit and the nation would cheer inside every time they donned their lippy and best frocks, seduced some young German soldier, lured him to the woods and cut a throat or put a well deserving bullet in a skull.
Now according to comments they are the baddies, psychopathic criminals, murderers and terrorists who when caught and executed by the poor Germans got what they deserved.
Odd thing is the holders of this view aren't Germans but Brits and Americans. When did sympathies change and why has this happened?
As always the cookie trail flooded my Amazon suggestions with books on war, Youtube with war documentaries, warfilm scenes and interesting stuff about WW2 rifles and machine guns. On the upside I've found an entertaining and engaging Youtuber call Lindybiege who has put out loads of interesting and informative stuff.
Something I have noticed in various comments sections is the level of sympathy German soldiers receive when dealing with resistance fighters and partisans and the level of anamosity and out and out anger aimed at civilians in occupied nations who took the decision to hear arms against the German army.
This is very new to me. In my day girls like this were heroines.
https://www-history-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www...
In the 1950s we'd have made a black and white film extoling their virtue, bravery, plucky spirit and the nation would cheer inside every time they donned their lippy and best frocks, seduced some young German soldier, lured him to the woods and cut a throat or put a well deserving bullet in a skull.
Now according to comments they are the baddies, psychopathic criminals, murderers and terrorists who when caught and executed by the poor Germans got what they deserved.
Odd thing is the holders of this view aren't Germans but Brits and Americans. When did sympathies change and why has this happened?
I would imagine the initial invasion by the Nazis was fairly traumatic but after that things settled down? Maybe the freedom fighters interrupted that calmness and some civilians were wrongly accused and dealt with?
Kind of like the majority wished for independence but the short term pain (particularly without a guaranteed win) was a big price to pay?
Pure speculation on my behalf but it sounds plausable to me!
Kind of like the majority wished for independence but the short term pain (particularly without a guaranteed win) was a big price to pay?
Pure speculation on my behalf but it sounds plausable to me!
Tannedbaldhead said:
The other night I watched the old classic film The Longest Day. During and after I Googled some stuff to see how the film differed from real life and watched the Saving Private Ryan beach scene.
As always the cookie trail flooded my Amazon suggestions with books on war, Youtube with war documentaries, warfilm scenes and interesting stuff about WW2 rifles and machine guns. On the upside I've found an entertaining and engaging Youtuber call Lindybiege who has put out loads of interesting and informative stuff.
Something I have noticed in various comments sections is the level of sympathy German soldiers receive when dealing with resistance fighters and partisans and the level of anamosity and out and out anger aimed at civilians in occupied nations who took the decision to hear arms against the German army.
This is very new to me. In my day girls like this were heroines.
https://www-history-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www...
In the 1950s we'd have made a black and white film extoling their virtue, bravery, plucky spirit and the nation would cheer inside every time they donned their lippy and best frocks, seduced some young German soldier, lured him to the woods and cut a throat or put a well deserving bullet in a skull.
Now according to comments they are the baddies, psychopathic criminals, murderers and terrorists who when caught and executed by the poor Germans got what they deserved.
Odd thing is the holders of this view aren't Germans but Brits and Americans. When did sympathies change and why has this happened?
Provide a few links. As always the cookie trail flooded my Amazon suggestions with books on war, Youtube with war documentaries, warfilm scenes and interesting stuff about WW2 rifles and machine guns. On the upside I've found an entertaining and engaging Youtuber call Lindybiege who has put out loads of interesting and informative stuff.
Something I have noticed in various comments sections is the level of sympathy German soldiers receive when dealing with resistance fighters and partisans and the level of anamosity and out and out anger aimed at civilians in occupied nations who took the decision to hear arms against the German army.
This is very new to me. In my day girls like this were heroines.
https://www-history-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www...
In the 1950s we'd have made a black and white film extoling their virtue, bravery, plucky spirit and the nation would cheer inside every time they donned their lippy and best frocks, seduced some young German soldier, lured him to the woods and cut a throat or put a well deserving bullet in a skull.
Now according to comments they are the baddies, psychopathic criminals, murderers and terrorists who when caught and executed by the poor Germans got what they deserved.
Odd thing is the holders of this view aren't Germans but Brits and Americans. When did sympathies change and why has this happened?
Could be that the simple truth [ true today as ever ] that terrorists and guerilla forces aren't real soldiers.
Also the theory that partisan groups in occupied countries didn't make a blind bit of difference in liberating their country, in fact
their ineffective acts of terrorism and murder got countless innocent civilians killed in acts of reprisal by the nazis.
Think Maquis and Yugoslav Partisans.
Also the theory that partisan groups in occupied countries didn't make a blind bit of difference in liberating their country, in fact
their ineffective acts of terrorism and murder got countless innocent civilians killed in acts of reprisal by the nazis.
Think Maquis and Yugoslav Partisans.
Never been unfortunate enough to have been in their shoes when invaded by a truly abhorrent system, I hope that I would have had the same gumption if I had had to step up in the same circumstances. Long term as far as you were concerned in that military invasion was the jackboot on your throat to feed the machine.
UK had a plan in place that would have done similar had we been invaded.
UK had a plan in place that would have done similar had we been invaded.
Cantaloupe]Could be that the simple truth [ true today as ever said:
that terrorists and guerilla forces aren't real soldiers.
Also the theory that partisan groups in occupied countries didn't make a blind bit of difference in liberating their country, in fact
their ineffective acts of terrorism and murder got countless innocent civilians killed in acts of reprisal by the nazis.
Think Maquis and Yugoslav Partisans.
I'd imagine most are just trolls but it's a good observation that a lot of people just "want" to be complicit rather than fight the nasty thing. Theses people typically think of themselves as peaceful/pacifist but ironically this trait would have benefited the Nazis hugely. I roll my eyes when people post that guy-not-saluting-at-nazi-rally pic on social media as it allways comes from the most virtue signally, right on with current trends and seemingly blind to the flipside, of people.Also the theory that partisan groups in occupied countries didn't make a blind bit of difference in liberating their country, in fact
their ineffective acts of terrorism and murder got countless innocent civilians killed in acts of reprisal by the nazis.
Think Maquis and Yugoslav Partisans.
Recently read a WWI book that contained much about German atrocities, thought to myself how were they allowed to get close to repeating atrocities on such a larger scale less than 30 years later
Horrific reading below
https://www.bl.uk/world-war-one/articles/civilian-...
Horrific reading below
https://www.bl.uk/world-war-one/articles/civilian-...
Cantaloupe said:
Yugoslav Partisans.
Ive read, nit necessarily means it’s true but I’ve read the germans wasted so much resource in former Yugoslavia that other fronts were left wanting.A bit like Russia but obviously a much smaller scale.
Been a while now but if memory serves with groups like the Ustazi ( spelling) Italians and Germans there were brutal. Executing entire villages if they were Roman Catholic etc.
They had every right to fight back.
Pesty said:
Cantaloupe said:
Yugoslav Partisans.
Ive read, nit necessarily means it’s true but I’ve read the germans wasted so much resource in former Yugoslavia that other fronts were left wanting.A bit like Russia but obviously a much smaller scale.
Been a while now but if memory serves with groups like the Ustazi ( spelling) Italians and Germans there were brutal. Executing entire villages if they were Roman Catholic etc.
They had every right to fight back.
By 1945 they supposedly numbered 800,000, though no doubt many were not suitable for front line combat.
Cantaloupe]Could be that the simple truth [ true today as ever said:
that terrorists and guerilla forces aren't real soldiers.
Also the theory that partisan groups in occupied countries didn't make a blind bit of difference in liberating their country, in fact
their ineffective acts of terrorism and murder got countless innocent civilians killed in acts of reprisal by the nazis.
Think Maquis and Yugoslav Partisans.
The case of the guys who killed Reinhard Heydrich is a prime example; They were hunted down causing loads of loss of life in the process, a process which ended in a huge gun battle which was basically a bloodbath. The Germans then found out where they came from, surrounded the town, murdered every male over 16, exported the women and children to a concentration camp, burned the whole town, buldozed the remains and even slated the earth so it was basically uninhabitable forever. They'd actually got the wrong town too!!Also the theory that partisan groups in occupied countries didn't make a blind bit of difference in liberating their country, in fact
their ineffective acts of terrorism and murder got countless innocent civilians killed in acts of reprisal by the nazis.
Think Maquis and Yugoslav Partisans.
The film Anthropoid seems to give a decent account of it. The assassination scene and final gun battle scene are some of the best "edge of your seat" pieces ever filmed as far as I'm concerned. Thrilling stuff!
JagLover said:
Yugoslav partisans are an extremely poor example for partisans that did not accomplish anything. They liberated a large part of their own territory either alone, or with Russian assistance in the form of heavy weaponry.
By 1945 they supposedly numbered 800,000, though no doubt many were not suitable for front line combat.
That’s what I thought, thanks.By 1945 they supposedly numbered 800,000, though no doubt many were not suitable for front line combat.
defaultusr said:
I, too, have noticed sympathy for the Nazi troops. Dare I say, I sometimes feel it myself despite not agreeing with the Nazi cause or the persecution of the Jews. I often wonder how Germany might have done better in the war, possibly by focusing on taking Europe, consolidating her victory for a few years, then move on Russia, whilst ignoring the UK and not engaging, at least until Russia was dealt with.
I think a lot of people now with immigration, see Nazi Germany as a symbol of European pride, strength and endurance.
This is wrong on every count. For starters how could the UK be ignored? You think giving the UK a clear run to rearm properly is a winning strategy?I think a lot of people now with immigration, see Nazi Germany as a symbol of European pride, strength and endurance.
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