Final warning from who? (Birmingham)
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-510...
Who’s given them the “final warning” and what does that mean?
Who’s given them the “final warning” and what does that mean?
321boost said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-510...
Who’s given them the “final warning” and what does that mean?
Google is your friendWho’s given them the “final warning” and what does that mean?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38980510
bbc said:
Air pollution 'final warning' from European Commission to UK
321boost said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-510...
Who’s given them the “final warning” and what does that mean?
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birminghams-air-bad-european-union-12608949Who’s given them the “final warning” and what does that mean?
Fittster said:
The A38 could be rerouted to an "upgraded ring road" and the city's tunnels used for public transport only.
What is an upgraded ring road?
Average speed cameras + cycling lanes + lots of traffic lights. Either way this will increase congestion on the outside, giving the council a reason to expand their clean air zones or drivers will just stop driving into Birmingham and kill the centre. What is an upgraded ring road?
OR if thinking and hoping for something positive then they will widen the outer ring road and increase speed limit to carry more traffic.
Edited by 321boost on Monday 13th January 15:00
321boost said:
Fittster said:
The A38 could be rerouted to an "upgraded ring road" and the city's tunnels used for public transport only.
What is an upgraded ring road?
Average speed cameras + cycling lanes + lots of traffic lights. Either way this will increase congestion on the outside, giving the council a reason to expand their clean air zones or drivers will just stop driving into Birmingham and kill the centre. What is an upgraded ring road?
OR if thinking and hoping for something positive then they will widen the outer ring road and increase speed limit to carry more traffic.
Edited by 321boost on Monday 13th January 15:00
I don't see what you can do about that ring road and still have a viable economy.
321boost said:
Average speed cameras + cycling lanes + lots of traffic lights. Either way this will increase congestion on the outside, giving the council a reason to expand their clean air zones or drivers will just stop driving into Birmingham and kill the centre.
OR if thinking and hoping for something positive then they will widen the outer ring road and increase speed limit to carry more traffic.
If I've got this right the A4540 is the inner ring road. Is the A4040 the outer ring road? It's hardly geared up for loads more trafficOR if thinking and hoping for something positive then they will widen the outer ring road and increase speed limit to carry more traffic.
Edited by 321boost on Monday 13th January 15:00
dazwalsh said:
I'm guessing from the environment agency or central government, they have got an ambitious net carbon zero target to meet.
Or maybe Greta got on the blower to the council, people seem to take her s
t as gospel.
The "final warning" is nothing to do with carbon, Greta or climate change, it's about local air quality, predominantly nitrogen dioxide, and human health. And ironically the nitrogen dioxide mostly comes from diesels which UK government policy encouraged people to shift to because they are better than petrol on carbon dioxide.Or maybe Greta got on the blower to the council, people seem to take her s
t as gospel.Of course the council is also trying to shoehorn its own carbon neutral by 2030 agenda into it, but that's not the primary driver.
Fittster said:
321boost said:
Average speed cameras + cycling lanes + lots of traffic lights. Either way this will increase congestion on the outside, giving the council a reason to expand their clean air zones or drivers will just stop driving into Birmingham and kill the centre.
OR if thinking and hoping for something positive then they will widen the outer ring road and increase speed limit to carry more traffic.
If I've got this right the A4540 is the inner ring road. Is the A4040 the outer ring road? It's hardly geared up for loads more trafficOR if thinking and hoping for something positive then they will widen the outer ring road and increase speed limit to carry more traffic.
Edited by 321boost on Monday 13th January 15:00
amusingduck said:
321boost said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-510...
Who’s given them the “final warning” and what does that mean?
Google is your friendWho’s given them the “final warning” and what does that mean?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38980510
bbc said:
Air pollution 'final warning' from European Commission to UK
Never smelled / tasted city air in the UK coming anywhere near as bad as those locations.
Congestion mayhem coming to Birmingham soon, with increased pollution as cars, delivery vans/lorries and taxis take longer journeys to get to where they are going (multiple stops).
Another reason to leave the EU quango. "Final Warning" indeed, smell their own backside instead.bbc said:
Air pollution 'final warning' from European Commission to UK
FourWheelDrift said:
Another reason to leave the EU quango. "Final Warning" indeed, smell their own backside instead.
https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBr...Edited by otolith on Monday 13th January 16:25
The odd thing is that currently, Birmingham is about the most accessible city centre in the UK! That's cant be a bad thing for pollution, ie cars not sitting in traffic.
It's rare that you cant get from the M6, right into Snow HIll area, parked up right in the centre in less than 10 mins.
Shame to fk it all about, tbh
It's rare that you cant get from the M6, right into Snow HIll area, parked up right in the centre in less than 10 mins.
Shame to f
k it all about, tbhpoo at Paul's said:
The odd thing is that currently, Birmingham is about the most accessible city centre in the UK! That's cant be a bad thing for pollution, ie cars not sitting in traffic.
It's rare that you cant get from the M6, right into Snow HIll area, parked up right in the centre in less than 10 mins.
Shame to fk it all about, tbh
It was comprehensively re-designed as a 'motor city' in the 60's.It's rare that you cant get from the M6, right into Snow HIll area, parked up right in the centre in less than 10 mins.
Shame to f
k it all about, tbhThe problem is the militant Labour council who have continually been dreaming up ways to penalise the 'evil' motorist. One of the latest wheezes is to ban vehicles from getting onto Broad Street the 'back way' from by the NIA. It is now buses only between NIA and Brindley Place.
321boost said:
Fittster said:
321boost said:
Average speed cameras + cycling lanes + lots of traffic lights. Either way this will increase congestion on the outside, giving the council a reason to expand their clean air zones or drivers will just stop driving into Birmingham and kill the centre.
OR if thinking and hoping for something positive then they will widen the outer ring road and increase speed limit to carry more traffic.
If I've got this right the A4540 is the inner ring road. Is the A4040 the outer ring road? It's hardly geared up for loads more trafficOR if thinking and hoping for something positive then they will widen the outer ring road and increase speed limit to carry more traffic.
Edited by 321boost on Monday 13th January 15:00
https://www.google.com/maps/search/b1/@52.4807567,...
The upcoming clean air charge will see any cars not meeting the criteria being charged for crossing the A4540. Travel around it will not be charged (at present).
Although busy at peak times, traffic on the A38 continues to move via flyovers and tunnels from one side of the city to the other. At non-peak times this is a 2-3 minute journey in free flowing traffic. Going via the ring road would be considerably longer and that's as is and assuming it will be able to cope with the increases in traffic. If not it will be even longer still.
As noted above consultations are regularly ignored.
The clean air charge received the greatest response to any Birmingham Council consultation. 3 to 1 against by residents and 6 to 1 against by businesses. Council ignored it and carried on.
Recently a plan to demolish a flyover on the A34 near to Alexander Stadium and replace it with a flat junction went to consultation. (This is supposedly part of the Commonwealth Games planning). Over 10,000 objections received and if you know the area you will understand why as the flyover keeps traffic moving by taking it above an already busy area. Council have ignored it and will be carrying on.
I wonder what will happen following the consultation here.
As noted above it is difficult to see how the ring road can be improved as it is so penned in on most of the route.
over_the_hill said:
The clean air charge received the greatest response to any Birmingham Council consultation. 3 to 1 against by residents and 6 to 1 against by businesses. Council ignored it and carried on.
Well, if they keep voting these lunatics in, they only have themselves to blame.Fittster said:
What I don't understand is that currently if you are traveling to Birmingham, you leave the motorway at spaghetti junction, down the Aston Express way and then you are on a ring road right next to the city center.
I don't see what you can do about that ring road and still have a viable economy.
It's a labour council- economics are totally irrelevant. What matters is dogma & control over individuals' behaviour.I don't see what you can do about that ring road and still have a viable economy.
Agammemnon said:
Fittster said:
What I don't understand is that currently if you are traveling to Birmingham, you leave the motorway at spaghetti junction, down the Aston Express way and then you are on a ring road right next to the city center.
I don't see what you can do about that ring road and still have a viable economy.
It's a labour council- economics are totally irrelevant. What matters is dogma & control over individuals' behaviour.I don't see what you can do about that ring road and still have a viable economy.
Anyone doing the least little bit of research into the council will understand what ineptitude and mismanagement exists there.
Some of it you could barely make up: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...
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