NHS IT Guy sent down

[slightlyoldgit]

Is it just me or is this just so over the top it is beyond the pale?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-...

I mean come on how does being able to tell the difference between Orpheus and Zeus, when you are in your 20's have relevance to being an IT Manager when you are in your 50's?

[Mojooo]

He hasn't been sent to jail - it is suspended so a slap on the wrist

Trying to recover all of his pay is a BIT harsh if he did the job well. I would have fined him a large sum.

I think the message is meant to be don't lie.

[slightlyoldgit]

Mojooo said:

He hasn't been sent to jail - it is suspended so a slap on the wrist

Trying to recover all of his pay is a BIT harsh if he did the job well. I would have fined him a large sum.

I think the message is meant to be don't lie.

Fair enough - not actually locked up.

But it was about a Classics degree 25+ years ago. I mean the guy did not get that job because he knew the name of all of Zeus's cousins, he got the job you would assume because of 20 odd years of experience.

I could just about agree with being let go... being prosecuted, getting a criminal record and having your salary clawed back is just egregious.

[bigandclever]

Fraud is, brace yourself, a bad thing.

[Gecko1978]

slightlyoldgit said:

Mojooo said:

He hasn't been sent to jail - it is suspended so a slap on the wrist

Trying to recover all of his pay is a BIT harsh if he did the job well. I would have fined him a large sum.

I think the message is meant to be don't lie.

Fair enough - not actually locked up.

But it was about a Classics degree 25+ years ago. I mean the guy did not get that job because he knew the name of all of Zeus's cousins, he got the job you would assume because of 20 odd years of experience.

I could just about agree with being let go... being prosecuted, getting a criminal record and having your salary clawed back is just egregious.

I guess he committed fraud but here is the thing clawing his salary back would seem to much if he actually did the job well. Bit like well you gave us what we wanted but we don't wish to pay for it now.

[slightlyoldgit]

bigandclever said:

Fraud is, brace yourself, a bad thing.

Oh come on - saying you could tell the difference between Thor and Odin when you were 20 makes the blindest bit of difference when you are an IT Manager with 25 years of experience.

Loving the high horse you climbed onto via your soapbox - now back to the world!

[Digger]

slightlyoldgit said:

bigandclever said:

Fraud is, brace yourself, a bad thing.

Oh come on - saying you could tell the difference between Thor and Odin when you were 20 makes the blindest bit of difference when you are an IT Manager with 25 years of experience.

Loving the high horse you climbed onto via your soapbox - now back to the world!

I am assuming you are the subject of the article as . . . .when did you last post here?

[Vanden Saab]

slightlyoldgit said:

bigandclever said:

Fraud is, brace yourself, a bad thing.

Oh come on - saying you could tell the difference between Thor and Odin when you were 20 makes the blindest bit of difference when you are an IT Manager with 25 years of experience.

Loving the high horse you climbed onto via your soapbox - now back to the world!

The question you should ask is, If he did not need the degree to do the job why did he fraudulently add it to his CV?

[slightlyoldgit]

Digger said:

slightlyoldgit said:

bigandclever said:

Fraud is, brace yourself, a bad thing.

Oh come on - saying you could tell the difference between Thor and Odin when you were 20 makes the blindest bit of difference when you are an IT Manager with 25 years of experience.

Loving the high horse you climbed onto via your soapbox - now back to the world!

I am assuming you are the subject of the article as . . . .when did you last post here?

As it happens no - I do know the person in question and been a long time lurker and reader only

[slightlyoldgit]

Vanden Saab said:

slightlyoldgit said:

bigandclever said:

Fraud is, brace yourself, a bad thing.

Oh come on - saying you could tell the difference between Thor and Odin when you were 20 makes the blindest bit of difference when you are an IT Manager with 25 years of experience.

Loving the high horse you climbed onto via your soapbox - now back to the world!

The question you should ask is, If he did not need the degree to do the job why did he fraudulently add it to his CV?

Been on there forever, removing it after 20 years would have looked odd.

1. fakeituntilyoumakeit

[eliot]

Not really sure why he felt the need to bs the degree in the first place. IT tends to be a case of if you can do the job - you’ve got the job.

[slightlyoldgit]

eliot said:

Not really sure why he felt the need to bs the degree in the first place. IT tends to be a case of if you can do the job - you’ve got the job.

20 years ago it mattered - today not at all - removing it after 20 years would just have looked weird.

[768]

Two years in the job and no one had noticed?

Perhaps he should be awarded the degree for all the difference it made.

[Graveworm]

Gecko1978 said:

I guess he committed fraud but here is the thing clawing his salary back would seem to much if he actually did the job well. Bit like well you gave us what we wanted but we don't wish to pay for it now.

An issue with jobs that potentially have access to IP and private information, and or the ability to damage organisations is that, the lie makes them vulnerable. If that's exploited, then the damage could be severe. Doing his job is, of course, part of the package but this trial will have done a lot of reputational damage and meant significant costs, checking he was the only one and putting processes in place to stop it happening again.

[Sophisticated Sarah]

eliot said:

Not really sure why he felt the need to bs the degree in the first place. IT tends to be a case of if you can do the job - you’ve got the job.

Because a lot of jobs still require a bullst qualification rather than real experience. I can see why people lie about qualifications, it’s only in the past 10-20 years that university has become a normal progression of the education system, and so many end up under qualified for roles due to a check box that prohibits interviews despite the ability to do the job.

[Starfighter]

Vanden Saab said:

The question you should ask is, If he did not need the degree to do the job why did he fraudulently add it to his CV?

Because HR insist on putting a degree on as many jobs as they can.

[hairykrishna]

Judging by my old undergrad ex girlfriend, who studied Classics, actually getting the degree would only be marginally more difficult than writing it on a CV anyway.

What a knob. At some point in his career he probably should have quietly dropped that particular item.

[poo at Paul's]

130k! All them cuts must be biting hard!

[Murph7355]

Starfighter said:

Because HR insist on putting a degree on as many jobs as they can.

An easy sift when you're likely to get significant over-subscription for a role.

Will you lose good candidates? Yes. Is there any practical way to sift where you won't? No.

[bigandclever]

slightlyoldgit said:

Vanden Saab said:

slightlyoldgit said:

bigandclever said:

Fraud is, brace yourself, a bad thing.

Oh come on - saying you could tell the difference between Thor and Odin when you were 20 makes the blindest bit of difference when you are an IT Manager with 25 years of experience.

Loving the high horse you climbed onto via your soapbox - now back to the world!

The question you should ask is, If he did not need the degree to do the job why did he fraudulently add it to his CV?

Been on there forever, removing it after 20 years would have looked odd.

1. fakeituntilyoumakeit

I can tell whether I have a degree or not, and whether it should be put in my cv or not. Don’t forget in court he tried to blame the recruitment company for it being on his cv so wonder where you got the ‘removing it after 20 years’ bit fits in. Or does that not suit your narrative?