Getting things done FAST! Why can’t we?
Getting things done FAST! Why can’t we?
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Thankyou4calling

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10,889 posts

197 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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It appears China are building a 1000 bed hospital in a matter of days to deal with victims of the new virus.

Clearly this will be more akin to a military hospital than a teaching one you might find in the UK.

But it does beg the question as to why we take such an inordinate amount of time over things.

Motorway widening
HS 2
Cross rail
A third runway at Heathrow
A new school

Aside from the lengthy planning process, when these things eventually start they take a generation to finish!

I know China will have different rules and regs, but surely we can learn something from them and get infrastructure up and running quicker.

We need prisons. They don’t need to be elaborate. It’d be interesting to see how soon we could build a prison that was basic, safe and sound.

Could it be done in weeks rather than years?

Other countries do. Why not us.

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

181 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Consultation, risk assessments, cost assessments and NIMBY's.

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

181 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Oh, and newts.

I just had to pay for a wildlife assessment for a commercial development.

CrayonPark

467 posts

95 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Building regulations and health & safety. China can knock st up in a fraction of the time, but it’ll probably fail and collapse resulting in a huge amount of casualties in about 20 years. I’d rather we adhered to strict regulations, but it does hamstring us from a productivity perspective.

ralphrj

3,978 posts

215 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Thankyou4calling said:
Other countries do. Why not us.
I imagine that in a lot of cases it depends how long you want something to last. If it is only required for a short period of time then we are quite capable of knocking something together.

The July 7th bombs exploded between 8:49 and 9:47am. The emergency mortuary to handle the dead was built and in use by 10pm on July 8th.

CrayonPark

467 posts

95 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Thankyou4calling said:
We need prisons. They don’t need to be elaborate. It’d be interesting to see how soon we could build a prison that was basic, safe and sound.
No we don’t. We need a fairer society, an end to prohibition and a reformed criminal justice system. Norway has a much lower recidivism rate by treating criminality as a societal problem, and dealing with it as such.

Edited by CrayonPark on Saturday 25th January 11:29

ceesvdelst

289 posts

79 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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To be honest, if you are going to be able to throw tens of thousands of people at a building project, manage it, manage the raw materials etc you can build anything quickly.
A comedian I once heard say there is no level to what you can achieve if you just throw human lives and suffering at a project, Pyramids, US rail network etc etc.

sane human

48 posts

75 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Just a basic field hospital, not a 20 storey concrete frame. smile

anonymous-user

78 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Probably because most of what we have says 'made in China'

Cheap labour, poor quality and not enough planning and design going into it (generally).

Pothole

34,367 posts

306 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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There is job security attached to long term projects. Road schemes take as long as they take so that people are employed for that long.

anonymous-user

78 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Oppo said:


poor quality
Isn't that a myth?

skyrover

12,698 posts

228 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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The Chinese can build a product every bit as well as we can here in the west.

Asian work ethic and collectivist mentality plays a large part.

Camelot1971

2,829 posts

190 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Thankyou4calling said:
It appears China are building a 1000 bed hospital in a matter of days to deal with victims of the new virus.

Clearly this will be more akin to a military hospital than a teaching one you might find in the UK.

But it does beg the question as to why we take such an inordinate amount of time over things.

Motorway widening
HS 2
Cross rail
A third runway at Heathrow
A new school

Aside from the lengthy planning process, when these things eventually start they take a generation to finish!

I know China will have different rules and regs, but surely we can learn something from them and get infrastructure up and running quicker.

We need prisons. They don’t need to be elaborate. It’d be interesting to see how soon we could build a prison that was basic, safe and sound.

Could it be done in weeks rather than years?

Other countries do. Why not us.
If you are happy to work for 50p a day in appalling conditions with no regard to your health then go for it.

valiant

13,488 posts

184 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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I imagine this new hospital will be a portacabin type affair where it’s all built off site and bolted together when on site and a level, stable groundwork is complete.

Plus total disregard for H&S, employee rights and planning processes will help speed things up no end.


anonymous-user

78 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
Oppo said:


poor quality
Isn't that a myth?
No. Again, generally.

Hoofy

79,531 posts

306 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
Oppo said:


poor quality
Isn't that a myth?
In general? Sure, Apple products are made in China but there are more stty cheap electronics made in China that won't last a week and are so cheap on Amazon and ebay that it isn't worthwhile sending back so you just bin them. And then there's the stuff you see in Poundland. Headphones for a quid?

Mrr T

14,922 posts

289 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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It might also have something to do with China being a dictatorship with an appalling record on Human rights.

Funky Squirrel

483 posts

96 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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skyrover said:
The Chinese can build a product every bit as well as we can here in the west.

Asian work ethic and collectivist mentality plays a large part.
At least our factories don't have jump nets for all the suicides.

Gary C

14,827 posts

203 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Funky Squirrel said:
skyrover said:
The Chinese can build a product every bit as well as we can here in the west.

Asian work ethic and collectivist mentality plays a large part.
At least our factories don't have jump nets for all the suicides.
And they do in China ?

Certainly when my Dad was building coal power stations in China, they didnt bother and no-one knew where to send the bodies.

Mind you, security beat to death at least one person while he was on site.

Wild west.

chow pan toon

12,932 posts

261 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Imagine the uproar from the powerfully built if the government just decided to whack a prison or a couple of tower blocks next to their Surrey commuter-belt country pad.