Driving other people's kids in school time? DBS required.
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Apparently I'm in the doghouse at my kids' school as I gave another child a lift back from a maths lesson in another school during school hours.
Apparently I need a DBS check, and they need to see my MOT, driver's licence and insurance. Their fear is that they would face a prosecution from the HSE should anyone get hurt in an accident.
My question is, is a prosecution possible?
I had permission from the child's mum, and have picked him (and others) up from school without issue when they have allowed me to walk him out the gate, so what's the difference.
Anyway I have a meeting with the governors to look forward to.
Apparently I need a DBS check, and they need to see my MOT, driver's licence and insurance. Their fear is that they would face a prosecution from the HSE should anyone get hurt in an accident.
My question is, is a prosecution possible?
I had permission from the child's mum, and have picked him (and others) up from school without issue when they have allowed me to walk him out the gate, so what's the difference.
Anyway I have a meeting with the governors to look forward to.
Giving a lift home after school would be fine, with the parental permission. Different story if it's a lift from a school-based activity back to school as the school legally have a duty of care to pupils that are travelling to and from these activities. Part of this would be to ensure that outside workers are properly checked.
What arrangements did the school put in place to transport the other pupils?
What arrangements did the school put in place to transport the other pupils?
I'd tell them that unless the school provided me with transport to the meeting, along with proof in advance so you can make your own checks, that the driver is insured and licensed to pick you up, you wouldn't be unable to attend as wouldn't want to risk any potential legal claims against the school should something untoward happen during the journey.
Or I might offer to pick the kid up and take him back to the starting place to undo all the badness that had previously occurred.
Or I might offer to pick the kid up and take him back to the starting place to undo all the badness that had previously occurred.
ElectricSoup said:
Just speculating here, but "during school hours" might be the key here, as schools are "in loco parentis" during that time and are responsible, legally, for the welfare of their pupils, I believe.
Bloody mental, but, in the age of litigation, this sort of madness appears endemic.
That seems to be it, but his mum gave me permission and surely that trumps their loco?Bloody mental, but, in the age of litigation, this sort of madness appears endemic.
Bill said:
Apparently I'm in the doghouse at my kids' school as I gave another child a lift back from a maths lesson in another school during school hours.
Apparently I need a DBS check, and they need to see my MOT, driver's licence and insurance. Their fear is that they would face a prosecution from the HSE should anyone get hurt in an accident.
My question is, is a prosecution possible?
I had permission from the child's mum, and have picked him (and others) up from school without issue when they have allowed me to walk him out the gate, so what's the difference.
Anyway I have a meeting with the governors to look forward to.
Need more details but it sounds bullsApparently I need a DBS check, and they need to see my MOT, driver's licence and insurance. Their fear is that they would face a prosecution from the HSE should anyone get hurt in an accident.
My question is, is a prosecution possible?
I had permission from the child's mum, and have picked him (and others) up from school without issue when they have allowed me to walk him out the gate, so what's the difference.
Anyway I have a meeting with the governors to look forward to.
t so far with their requests.A meeting with Governors? I can barely get a meeting with the Headmaster at my kids school and my wife works there, I'd be enormously surprised (and a bit sceptical, what the f
k have the governors got to do with it?) that they would be in attendance.TIGA84 said:
A meeting with Governors? I can barely get a meeting with the Headmaster at my kids school and my wife works there, I'd be enormously surprised (and a bit sceptical, what the fk have the governors got to do with it?) that they would be in attendance.
I assume it's a regular governors meeting they'd like me to go along to so they can practice looking sternly at me.k have the governors got to do with it?) that they would be in attendance.Gah, the madness of the modern world.
I can understand their concern - you are doing a favour, with the parent's permission, and everything should be OK, but on the minute possibility that you should all die in a fireball on their watch it looks bad on them.
A kindly worded 'appreciate your efforts, but please don't do this for XXX reason' letter - or even a quiet word - to clarify the school's position is sufficient. Hauling you in front of the Governers so that a load of sanctimonious pricks can pass judgment on you ..... do me a favour.
I would tell them I'm busy (forever) until they quietly FRO.
I can understand their concern - you are doing a favour, with the parent's permission, and everything should be OK, but on the minute possibility that you should all die in a fireball on their watch it looks bad on them.
A kindly worded 'appreciate your efforts, but please don't do this for XXX reason' letter - or even a quiet word - to clarify the school's position is sufficient. Hauling you in front of the Governers so that a load of sanctimonious pricks can pass judgment on you ..... do me a favour.
I would tell them I'm busy (forever) until they quietly FRO.
Bill said:
TIGA84 said:
A meeting with Governors? I can barely get a meeting with the Headmaster at my kids school and my wife works there, I'd be enormously surprised (and a bit sceptical, what the fk have the governors got to do with it?) that they would be in attendance.
I assume it's a regular governors meeting they'd like me to go along to so they can practice looking sternly at me.k have the governors got to do with it?) that they would be in attendance.PurpleTurtle said:
Gah, the madness of the modern world.
I can understand their concern - you are doing a favour, with the parent's permission, and everything should be OK, but on the minute possibility that you should all die in a fireball on their watch it looks bad on them.
A kindly worded 'appreciate your efforts, but please don't do this for XXX reason' letter - or even a quiet word - to clarify the school's position is sufficient. Hauling you in front of the Governers so that a load of sanctimonious pricks can pass judgment on you ..... do me a favour.
I would tell them I'm busy (forever) until they quietly FRO.
To be fair it didn't look great because I'd talked to one of the receptionists about the paperwork the day before and said I wouldn't take him.I can understand their concern - you are doing a favour, with the parent's permission, and everything should be OK, but on the minute possibility that you should all die in a fireball on their watch it looks bad on them.
A kindly worded 'appreciate your efforts, but please don't do this for XXX reason' letter - or even a quiet word - to clarify the school's position is sufficient. Hauling you in front of the Governers so that a load of sanctimonious pricks can pass judgment on you ..... do me a favour.
I would tell them I'm busy (forever) until they quietly FRO.
Anyway, I've defused the situation with an email. But my question stands: would the HSE prosecute if there was an accident?
popeyewhite said:
Could you rephrase/explain that for me please?
The local secondary school run "Marvellous Maths" sessions for some primary school kids, and our school is small and doesn't have a minibus so parents have to do transport. One kid's parent couldn't get him back to school at the end (11.30am) so I took him.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff