How has this happened?
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Hi all,
I am new to this forum so apologies if this is in the wrong place,
I have a 2011 Peugeot 508 1.6 HDI that went for an MOT at 119,322 miles on the clock. The Cam belt hadn’t been changes as far as I could tell. The car was driven to the testing station and had no signs of any problems at all. (No noises or lights on the dash) The car was collected from the garage and driven less than a mile that night. The following day the car was then driven about 25 miles at a slow speed before it stopped whilst going up a small hill. The Cam belt didn’t brake but it ended up as shown in the picture. So my questions are these ....
Could this have been caused by the emissions/ smoke test that it underwent at the MOT?
It is my understanding that the load put on the engine during this test could cause this type of damage, is this correct?
Should the test centre have refused to test the vehicle due to its millage and non provable service history?
What else could have caused this to happen?
What damage would you expect this problem to cause within the engine?
Many thanks
Jayne
I am new to this forum so apologies if this is in the wrong place,
I have a 2011 Peugeot 508 1.6 HDI that went for an MOT at 119,322 miles on the clock. The Cam belt hadn’t been changes as far as I could tell. The car was driven to the testing station and had no signs of any problems at all. (No noises or lights on the dash) The car was collected from the garage and driven less than a mile that night. The following day the car was then driven about 25 miles at a slow speed before it stopped whilst going up a small hill. The Cam belt didn’t brake but it ended up as shown in the picture. So my questions are these ....
Could this have been caused by the emissions/ smoke test that it underwent at the MOT?
It is my understanding that the load put on the engine during this test could cause this type of damage, is this correct?
Should the test centre have refused to test the vehicle due to its millage and non provable service history?
What else could have caused this to happen?
What damage would you expect this problem to cause within the engine?
Many thanks
Jayne
It could well have been the emmisions test that finished it off.
Its not the garages fault that you haven't maintained your vehicle.
You could have bent valves (or worse) depending how far out the timing ended up (if your engine is non interference then you're safe, some engines will do no damage if the belt fails, I don't know about your s)
Its not the garages fault that you haven't maintained your vehicle.
You could have bent valves (or worse) depending how far out the timing ended up (if your engine is non interference then you're safe, some engines will do no damage if the belt fails, I don't know about your s)
Edited by DuraAce on Friday 31st January 14:41
That belt is missing some teeth and has jumped off. It has nothing to with your MOT test and seems like pure coincidence.
Do you know if it has ever been changed? A quick google suggests it should be done no later than ever 10 yeas or 100,000 miles.
Judging by the state of your car interior it would seem your car has been neglected and this is the consequence
Do you know if it has ever been changed? A quick google suggests it should be done no later than ever 10 yeas or 100,000 miles.
Judging by the state of your car interior it would seem your car has been neglected and this is the consequence
jayne69 said:
The car was driven to the testing station and had no signs of any problems at all. (No noises or lights on the dash)
So nothing to lead the tester to believe the car was unsafe to test.And I presume you hadn't suggested there was any reason why it would be unsafe to test?
jayne69 said:
Should the test centre have refused to test the vehicle due to its millage and non provable service history?
Mileage is irrelevant.There is no requirement for the tester to check the service history of a vehicle so also irrelevant
The belt didn't fail during the test. The failure occurred some 25 miles later.
Government MOT advice is here
gov.uk website said:
Diesel vehicles
The MOT tester will refuse to test your vehicle if they think that the smoke test may damage your engine.
You should tell them at the start of the MOT if you think this may happen.
To reduce the possibility of damage and increase the chances of passing, you should:
(My bold)The MOT tester will refuse to test your vehicle if they think that the smoke test may damage your engine.
You should tell them at the start of the MOT if you think this may happen.
To reduce the possibility of damage and increase the chances of passing, you should:
- keep your vehicle maintained at all times
- have the camshaft drive belt replaced at the recommended intervals
- go for the MOT with a fully warmed up engine - it will produce less smoke and is safer to test
- not tamper with the governor settings
Cambelts do break , but usually its something else that causes this, like a seized water pump or idler bearing that takes it out. To me, something has seized and stripped the teeth as a cause. Doesnt sound like a well maintained vehicle to be doing that type of mileages on a belt. But like I said, some just change the belt and may ignore the probable failures. As to if it was the garages fault. I doubt it, as you wouldnt have been driving it away after the test.
Dura Ace -The belt was changed about 60K according to the garage who sold the car .
Stevie turbo - The car had also been regularly serviced by the current owner.
Croissant - When the car went for it's MOT it was immaculate. ( the damage you see in the photos is the result of the damage caused by the garage who has had the car since 05/2018. They were supposed to be repairing it)
Paint man - I thought it was down to the testing station to satisfy themselves that the car was in an acceptable condition before starting the test? (This has been done to me before taking my car for it's MOT in Devon)
Jeremyc -I have spoken to the driving standards agency and am now aware of the rules. but I would still like to know what else, if anything could have caused the shearing of the belt? (just dotting the I's and crossing the T's here
Many thanks every one
Stevie turbo - The car had also been regularly serviced by the current owner.
Croissant - When the car went for it's MOT it was immaculate. ( the damage you see in the photos is the result of the damage caused by the garage who has had the car since 05/2018. They were supposed to be repairing it)
Paint man - I thought it was down to the testing station to satisfy themselves that the car was in an acceptable condition before starting the test? (This has been done to me before taking my car for it's MOT in Devon)
Jeremyc -I have spoken to the driving standards agency and am now aware of the rules. but I would still like to know what else, if anything could have caused the shearing of the belt? (just dotting the I's and crossing the T's here
Many thanks every one
jayne69 said:
Paint man - I thought it was down to the testing station to satisfy themselves that the car was in an acceptable condition before starting the test? (This has been done to me before taking my car for it's MOT in Devon)
It was not done in Devon, because it is physically impossible to do.Gassing Station | Engines & Drivetrain | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff