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roadsmash

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2,667 posts

94 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Hi all

Finally in a position where I can justify circa £8k on learning to fly.

Pretty sure I want to do the full EASA rather than LAPL, as I think it would be beneficial in order to hire aircraft when going abroad... any guidance on whether this is a good reason to go for the EASA?

I have some interest in becoming an instructor in the future too, another reason why I’d like to do the full EASA.

That’s pretty much where I am at the moment, any other advice from anyone? Recommended flight schools etc.

I’m based in Hampshire. Thank you in advance.

Eric Mc

124,907 posts

289 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Whereabouts in Hampshire are you and how far are you prepared to travel for lessons.

roadsmash

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94 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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I’m near Eastleigh but willing to do an hour or so travel. Bournemouth maybe? Lee on Solent?

I literally have no idea... it seems everywhere is approx the same price, so just want the best really.

ben_h100

1,549 posts

203 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Visit a few schools before committing.

It may be worth paying £10 more an hour if the aircraft and instructor availability is better.

AndyAudi

3,790 posts

246 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Thinking similar, one bit of advice I’d had already & am considering Is to try & compress the learning into as short a time as possible, ie taking leave from work & getting on with it.

CrgT16

2,440 posts

132 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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I worked towards my PPL in Bournemouth a few years back, very good with both petrol and diesel planes. I preferred the petrol Piper PA-28 Cherokee, old and analog but actually very nice to learn and being low wing I just preferred it. Also flew Arrow with retractable carriage and variable propeller pitch and had fun in a Scottish aviation bulldog. This was about 10 years ago. Not sure how it is now. My instructor was Barnaby Kerr, google him. Top guy. I was living in Romaey at the time.

roadsmash

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94 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Thanks all for your input. It’s all being digested.

This in particular is something I didn’t think about:

AndyAudi said:
Thinking similar, one bit of advice I’d had already & am considering Is to try & compress the learning into as short a time as possible, ie taking leave from work & getting on with it.
I’d much prefer to do it as quickly as possible, and I was under the assumption that this was typical for your £8k?

Is this not the case? What’s the standard for most flying schools? 1 lesson a week?

Do you have to pay for each lesson or can you pay it all in one go? I’d prefer to do that.

Other than fatigue... what are the negatives of a “crash course” (for lack of a better phrase).

Apologies, I’m sure the flying schools could answer all these questions but would just prefer to be prepared before getting in contact.


jjones

4,479 posts

217 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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roadsmash said:
I’d much prefer to do it as quickly as possible, and I was under the assumption that this was typical for your £8k?

Is this not the case? What’s the standard for most flying schools? 1 lesson a week?

Do you have to pay for each lesson or can you pay it all in one go? I’d prefer to do that.

Other than fatigue... what are the negatives of a “crash course” (for lack of a better phrase).

Apologies, I’m sure the flying schools could answer all these questions but would just prefer to be prepared before getting in contact.
Not sure you understand just how weather dependent learning can be - this isn't quite the same as booking driving lessons. That is the main obstacle in compressed learning.

And pay as you go, never pay it all upfront. Let me say that again as you appear keen on doing so. Do not pay more in one lump than you are willing to lose.

Also go get your medical done especially if you think you may want to instruct one day.

Some Guy

2,574 posts

115 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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I would have thought a crash course would give you brain overload.
I would go for 2 days a week, a few days apart. Gives time for the lesson to sink in before the next one.

roadsmash

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94 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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jjones said:
Not sure you understand just how weather dependent learning can be - this isn't quite the same as booking driving lessons. That is the main obstacle in compressed learning.

And pay as you go, never pay it all upfront. Let me say that again as you appear keen on doing so. Do not pay more in one lump than you are willing to lose.

Also go get your medical done especially if you think you may want to instruct one day.
Many thanks for the direct advice.

Would training in the summer months therefore be more sensible?

Why is there a risk of losing money? Can block lessons expire over a certain period or do you just mean if the company goes bust? If the latter, is this common?

Many thanks again.

mikef

6,158 posts

275 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Over the years, many flying schools have gone under, leaving pre-paid students out of pocket

The real cost isn’t learning to fly, it’s once you get your license and buy an aircraft or share in a syndicate

aeropilot

39,788 posts

251 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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mikef said:
The real cost isn’t learning to fly, it’s once you get your license and buy an aircraft or share in a syndicate
yes

This is what stopped me from doing a PPL 30 odd years ago.


roadsmash

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Wednesday 5th February 2020
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mikef said:
Over the years, many flying schools have gone under, leaving pre-paid students out of pocket

The real cost isn’t learning to fly, it’s once you get your license and buy an aircraft or share in a syndicate
Many thanks for that, I was unaware.

Regarding continued flying after passing, to start with, I was thinking of hiring twice a month or so. Although I appreciate this is expensive, is there any other reason why one shouldn’t do this?

Without going into details, due to a change of circumstance I now have considerably more disposable money coming in on a monthly basis and I want to use it on this, which I have longed for, for so long.

The long term goal is to obviously buy my own but the above is the interim plan.

CrgT16

2,440 posts

132 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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Better still is taking a month off and learning in the US... great weather for learning and less crowded airspace. From Bournemouth, although easy to land/take off the traffic could be a bit heavy for yours first solos particularly with big jets sharing the runaway. All fine and safe as ATC will tell you what to do but can be a bit much if you not of the chilled type

andy97

4,783 posts

246 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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A friend of mine did his PPL at Thruxton.

roadsmash

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Wednesday 5th February 2020
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CrgT16 said:
Better still is taking a month off and learning in the US... great weather for learning and less crowded airspace. From Bournemouth, although easy to land/take off the traffic could be a bit heavy for yours first solos particularly with big jets sharing the runaway. All fine and safe as ATC will tell you what to do but can be a bit much if you not of the chilled type
This is interesting... is doing it in one month possible?

paulguitar

33,934 posts

137 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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I think IIRC Florida is a very popular place for doing a fast track PPL? Anyone here done that?

hidetheelephants

33,986 posts

217 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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roadsmash said:
CrgT16 said:
Better still is taking a month off and learning in the US... great weather for learning and less crowded airspace. From Bournemouth, although easy to land/take off the traffic could be a bit heavy for yours first solos particularly with big jets sharing the runaway. All fine and safe as ATC will tell you what to do but can be a bit much if you not of the chilled type
This is interesting... is doing it in one month possible?
~50 hours of flight instruction plus some classroom stuff is doable in a month if there's no cancellation due to weather, so Florida, Spain etc are attractive options from that perspective.

jjones

4,479 posts

217 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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Don't rush the learning, it really is great fun if you get on with your instructor.

MoggieMinor

467 posts

169 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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Good luck and enjoy wherever you learn. I'd love to do PPL(H)