David Cameron bodyguard to pay huge cake fine.

[FiF]

Apparently massive panic on a BA to NY flight after a passenger found a loaded Glock in a toilet compartment. It had been left there by Cameron's bodyguard.

4 dozen Krispy Kremes when you get back mate, as an absolute minimum. Skipper wants some fresh cream cakes though.

Sorry but you twerp.

[griffin dai]

He’s done

[Laurel Green]

Thankfully, little Johnny didn't wander into the cubicle to find it.

[Dogwatch]

God knows why Cameron, Major, Blair, et al need personal protection unless from disgruntled voters. Add in the Royal Family and that's a hell of a lot of minders, some necessary admittedly, but all of them?

[hairy vx220]

a whole plane load of people, and not one took the opportunity???

[Agammemnon]

Dogwatch said:

God knows why Cameron, Major, Blair, et al need personal protection unless from disgruntled voters. Add in the Royal Family and that's a hell of a lot of minders, some necessary admittedly, but all of them?

It's not as bad as you might think- they would appear to be from the budget range.

[Pesty]

[Red 4]

Dogwatch said:

God knows why Cameron, Major, Blair, et al need personal protection unless from disgruntled voters. Add in the Royal Family and that's a hell of a lot of minders, some necessary admittedly, but all of them?

Because high profile targets (even if no longer PMs).

As an aside ( and many years ago ) I remember an ARV crew who left 2 loaded firearms on the roof of a police vehicle and drove off. A member of the public found said weapons and handed them in.
ARV crew were immediately no longer ARV crew. I suspect the same fate awaits this officer.

[jdw100]

Red 4 said:

Dogwatch said:

God knows why Cameron, Major, Blair, et al need personal protection unless from disgruntled voters. Add in the Royal Family and that's a hell of a lot of minders, some necessary admittedly, but all of them?

Because high profile targets (even if no longer PMs).

As an aside ( and many years ago ) I remember an ARV crew who left 2 loaded firearms on the roof of a police vehicle and drove off. A member of the public found said weapons and handed them in.
ARV crew were immediately no longer ARV crew. I suspect the same fate awaits this officer.

One of Tony Blair's bodyguards left a pistol in the toilets of a coffee shop (Starbucks?) a few years back.

ARV chap left his in toilet cubicle in a motorway services.

That's the ones I can think of from top of my head.

Didn't a bodyguard also let off a shot by accident in Buckingham Palace?

I imagine some retraining was conducted....

[Astacus]

rather a lot of Chunkey Monkey owed there I think.

[milkround]

Just to balance this out... And I'm genuinely neither anti police or a believer that mistakes don't happen. I reckon the bloke should be told he's daft and then get on with the job he is more than qualified to do.

But for my job i have a big Leatherman. It's really needed for a variety of reasons. And I've been informed that legally I can carry it because of my job. I have an excuse for a locking blade etc. I could cause some damage with it - but less damage than with a kitchen knife.

But if I forgot it was in my bag or in my pocket and took it out at the weekend (so made a mistake) I'd be arrested and charged with an offence for which I'd have no defence. Even if I left it in my pocket after work and went to the shops I would potentially face jail. Seems a bit unfair to me...

Normal working bloke carries work tool and makes a mistake and goes to jail - vs copper who makes a mistake who gets told not to do it again.

[Jaaws]

Finders Keepers

[Fatball]

milkround said:

Just to balance this out... And I'm genuinely neither anti police or a believer that mistakes don't happen. I reckon the bloke should be told he's daft and then get on with the job he is more than qualified to do.

But for my job i have a big Leatherman. It's really needed for a variety of reasons. And I've been informed that legally I can carry it because of my job. I have an excuse for a locking blade etc. I could cause some damage with it - but less damage than with a kitchen knife.

But if I forgot it was in my bag or in my pocket and took it out at the weekend (so made a mistake) I'd be arrested and charged with an offence for which I'd have no defence. Even if I left it in my pocket after work and went to the shops I would potentially face jail. Seems a bit unfair to me...

Normal working bloke carries work tool and makes a mistake and goes to jail - vs copper who makes a mistake who gets told not to do it again.

Unless you had a load of previous with knives or were a general idiot, I wouldn’t be locking you up for possession of a leatherman. Maybe some would but I wouldn’t. Depends on the officer I guess but I have a leatherman on or around me in or out of work.

You could get in to the officer has lawful authority to have the firearm and has misplaced it vs. mop having no lawful authority to have knife and found with it but depends on the knife. Zombie knife or kitchen knife/similar then you’re coming in. Leatherman or similar then for me it’s a no depending on the person, background and how they are.

[Puddenchucker]

jdw100 said:

Didn't a bodyguard also let off a shot by accident in Buckingham Palace?

The two incidents that I can recall are a shot being accidently fired in a carriage on the 'Royal' train whilst HM was onboard and outside of the home of the Duke & Duchess of Cambridge.

[amusingduck]

If you can't keep track of your gun, maybe you should be replaced with someone who can.

[mattnovak]

Fatball said:

milkround said:

Just to balance this out... And I'm genuinely neither anti police or a believer that mistakes don't happen. I reckon the bloke should be told he's daft and then get on with the job he is more than qualified to do.

But for my job i have a big Leatherman. It's really needed for a variety of reasons. And I've been informed that legally I can carry it because of my job. I have an excuse for a locking blade etc. I could cause some damage with it - but less damage than with a kitchen knife.

But if I forgot it was in my bag or in my pocket and took it out at the weekend (so made a mistake) I'd be arrested and charged with an offence for which I'd have no defence. Even if I left it in my pocket after work and went to the shops I would potentially face jail. Seems a bit unfair to me...

Normal working bloke carries work tool and makes a mistake and goes to jail - vs copper who makes a mistake who gets told not to do it again.

Unless you had a load of previous with knives or were a general idiot, I wouldn’t be locking you up for possession of a leatherman. Maybe some would but I wouldn’t. Depends on the officer I guess but I have a leatherman on or around me in or out of work.

You could get in to the officer has lawful authority to have the firearm and has misplaced it vs. mop having no lawful authority to have knife and found with it but depends on the knife. Zombie knife or kitchen knife/similar then you’re coming in. Leatherman or similar then for me it’s a no depending on the person, background and how they are.

As I understand it, there's quite a legal grey area around 'possession of an offensive weapon' namely the burden sits with the prosecution that you intended to cause harm with it not, for example, scare someone. Not that I would put my faith in the criminal justice system to test it of course.

[Derek Smith]

In the City of London, a special branch officer, in his case special having the same meaning as in school, shot himself in the leg while attempting to qualify for close protection of Chas for his first wedding. Many of us felt it should have been classed as a hit, but evidently it was a bad thing.

He was a strange bloke. He had all the ability to blend into the background as a chameleon painted bright red. In the build-up on TV, the cameras focused on him in St Paul’s Churchyard, strolling around in his light grey mohair suit, at the same time as the commentator said that the police had hundreds of plain clothes officers in the crowd.

[Greendubber]

There aren't enough face palms to show quite how stupid this person is.

[Shaw Tarse]

[Hereward]

Greendubber said:

There aren't enough face palms to show quite how stupid this person is.

Indeed. A truly staggering lack of focus, awareness, professionalism, self-discipline, concentration. How can someone in that role switch their mind off to that extent when on active duty????