Deporting foreign criminals
Discussion
Reading from here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51443189
The government is deporting a flight of 50 people to Jamaica who have committed crimes here in the UK, despite some of the people having lived here since they were 5 years old, and many having lived more than half their live's in the UK. Many of the crimes are not that serious (in the grand scheme of things), and to me it seems unfair to remove someone to a country they may not even remember, for simply dealing a small amount of drugs.
Especially on the back of the Windrush thing not even being sorted out yet, this country used to be seen as fair and tolerant. Now it seems we have become intolerant and vengeful, for very little benefit to the rest of society.
Same with the Shamima Begum case - she was/is British, lived all her life here. It is not right we, as a country, can just absolve our self of all responsibility for her, and send her to a place she's never lived.
Is this really the society and country we want to live in?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51443189
The government is deporting a flight of 50 people to Jamaica who have committed crimes here in the UK, despite some of the people having lived here since they were 5 years old, and many having lived more than half their live's in the UK. Many of the crimes are not that serious (in the grand scheme of things), and to me it seems unfair to remove someone to a country they may not even remember, for simply dealing a small amount of drugs.
Especially on the back of the Windrush thing not even being sorted out yet, this country used to be seen as fair and tolerant. Now it seems we have become intolerant and vengeful, for very little benefit to the rest of society.
Same with the Shamima Begum case - she was/is British, lived all her life here. It is not right we, as a country, can just absolve our self of all responsibility for her, and send her to a place she's never lived.
Is this really the society and country we want to live in?
Hasn't the law been pretty simple on this for a very long time?
If you're not a UK citizen, and you get a 12 month custodial sentence (which is not really "nothing"), you go back to whatever country you came from and actually are a citizen of.
People who don't want to be caught by this have 2 choices:
1) Behave
2) Apply for citizenship.
If you're not a UK citizen, and you get a 12 month custodial sentence (which is not really "nothing"), you go back to whatever country you came from and actually are a citizen of.
People who don't want to be caught by this have 2 choices:
1) Behave
2) Apply for citizenship.
Condi said:
pgh said:
But not having managed to become British citizens in that time.
Where does it say that? Could have duel citizenship, or just British citizenship with simply a claim on citizenship in a foreign country (eg Bergum). DocJock said:
Condi said:
pgh said:
But not having managed to become British citizens in that time.
Where does it say that? Could have duel citizenship, or just British citizenship with simply a claim on citizenship in a foreign country (eg Bergum). Irrespective of the legalities, IMO it is wrong we can absolve ourselves of responsibility when someone who lives here, and has done for many years, commits a crime. Not least because the countries we generally deport people to (eg Jamaica), are considerably less able to deal with offenders as we are in the UK. I assume that the people being deported have paid taxes, got jobs, contributed to society etc while they were here. Simply selling a few bags of coke is not crime of the century. Half of London will have an odd bag of coke on them on a Saturday night.
Edited by Condi on Monday 10th February 14:28
Condi said:
it was, but before it was revoked she had only British citizenship, and was not a duel national.
She was, as you correctly state, quite fighty, until the tide turned against her side...Regarding the other crims, no s
ts given by me. Apparently, in some countries, whole families can be deported if one member commits a serious enough offence...Can’t say I see an issue with it. Commit crimes in a foreign country, expect to be kicked out. I imagine it’ll be tough for small-time criminals to break into the crime market over there too 
Although I can’t say I envy them going to Jamaica as migrants. A good friend who was born there gets a tough time when he visits family as locals consider him a traitor. Family are proud of what he has achieved, but he’s often refused service in the towns and spat at.
The snippet I heard on the radio suggested they were simply 50 people from the Windrush migration who hadn’t applied for citizenship rather than criminals. Thanks for posting the full article.
Although I can’t say I envy them going to Jamaica as migrants. A good friend who was born there gets a tough time when he visits family as locals consider him a traitor. Family are proud of what he has achieved, but he’s often refused service in the towns and spat at.
The snippet I heard on the radio suggested they were simply 50 people from the Windrush migration who hadn’t applied for citizenship rather than criminals. Thanks for posting the full article.
Condi said:
Reading from here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51443189
...for simply dealing a small amount of drugs.
Where does it say a small amount of drugs?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51443189
...for simply dealing a small amount of drugs.
Tricky situation- no qualms with deporting folk who have come here as adults with few good intentions, but I can see an argument that those who were here through their childhood and formative years should be dealt with differently, particularly in light of Windrush.
To a degree we are products of the society and culture we grow up in, and in turn that society should take some responsibility irrespective of our ultimate citizenship. I'm not suggesting that deportation should be off the table, more the idea of drawing a line in the sand, hopefully earlier in their career, a reminder that they are in this country at our pleasure, and a 'one strike and you're out' rule.
BTW, Australia has fairly recently taken up this attitude with NZ'ers (there's FOM between the two countries), leading to split families, people getting off the plane in a country they've never lived in, and ultimately to the arrival in NZ of new criminal organisations and gangs.
To a degree we are products of the society and culture we grow up in, and in turn that society should take some responsibility irrespective of our ultimate citizenship. I'm not suggesting that deportation should be off the table, more the idea of drawing a line in the sand, hopefully earlier in their career, a reminder that they are in this country at our pleasure, and a 'one strike and you're out' rule.
BTW, Australia has fairly recently taken up this attitude with NZ'ers (there's FOM between the two countries), leading to split families, people getting off the plane in a country they've never lived in, and ultimately to the arrival in NZ of new criminal organisations and gangs.
Condi said:
If it was a large amount of drugs he'd get more than 15 months.
And if it was only a small amount and a first offence, then they wouldn't even face a custodial sentence.No sympathy from me, not an ounce. They would know the risk, they would know the ultimate threat of deportation unless they secured UK citizenship, or behaved, they ignored the threats and they are now on their way. No sympathy at all.
Condi said:
Reading from here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51443189
The government is deporting a flight of 50 people to Jamaica who have committed crimes here in the UK
Is this really the society and country we want to live in?
Yep. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51443189
The government is deporting a flight of 50 people to Jamaica who have committed crimes here in the UK
Is this really the society and country we want to live in?
oobie38 said:
Tricky situation- no qualms with deporting folk who have come here as adults with few good intentions, but I can see an argument that those who were here through their childhood and formative years should be dealt with differently, particularly in light of Windrush.
To a degree we are products of the society and culture we grow up in, and in turn that society should take some responsibility irrespective of our ultimate citizenship. I'm not suggesting that deportation should be off the table.
Quite.To a degree we are products of the society and culture we grow up in, and in turn that society should take some responsibility irrespective of our ultimate citizenship. I'm not suggesting that deportation should be off the table.
It is one thing to come here with the intent of causing trouble and committing crimes, but quite another for someone to live here most of their lives, make a mistake or 2 and end up on a plane to a country they dont remember, without family or friends.
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