5g Home Broadband - Should BT be scared?
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BT have obviously shelled out a large chunk of cash upgrading their fibre network and will be recouping that investment in the coming years.
Does the advent of 5g wireless threaten that?
My biggest annoyance with BT is having to pay "line rental" for a line that I do not use for voice, so it's partially redundant.
Now I realise that you need a line for Broadband, and I have considered switching (when available) to Three's 5g home offering, and have pretty much ruled it out, due to my current line being highly available.
Just wondered if we will see a large amount of the population moving away from the traditional method of getting their broadband, and will this cause BT to change their pricing structures and reduce costs?
Does the advent of 5g wireless threaten that?
My biggest annoyance with BT is having to pay "line rental" for a line that I do not use for voice, so it's partially redundant.
Now I realise that you need a line for Broadband, and I have considered switching (when available) to Three's 5g home offering, and have pretty much ruled it out, due to my current line being highly available.
Just wondered if we will see a large amount of the population moving away from the traditional method of getting their broadband, and will this cause BT to change their pricing structures and reduce costs?
!Trevatanus said:
BT have obviously shelled out a large chunk of cash upgrading their fibre network and will be recouping that investment in the coming years.
Does the advent of 5g wireless threaten that?
My biggest annoyance with BT is having to pay "line rental" for a line that I do not use for voice, so it's partially redundant.
Now I realise that you need a line for Broadband, and I have considered switching (when available) to Three's 5g home offering, and have pretty much ruled it out, due to my current line being highly available.
Just wondered if we will see a large amount of the population moving away from the traditional method of getting their broadband, and will this cause BT to change their pricing structures and reduce costs?
What has this got to do with BT? They don't supply the infrastructure to deliver your broadband connection.Does the advent of 5g wireless threaten that?
My biggest annoyance with BT is having to pay "line rental" for a line that I do not use for voice, so it's partially redundant.
Now I realise that you need a line for Broadband, and I have considered switching (when available) to Three's 5g home offering, and have pretty much ruled it out, due to my current line being highly available.
Just wondered if we will see a large amount of the population moving away from the traditional method of getting their broadband, and will this cause BT to change their pricing structures and reduce costs?
What does that 5G mast go back to? does it 5G all the way back to your consumed content.... (web server/CDN sitting in a datacentre somewhere, generally fairly locally if well designed... or another continent if not)
5G will have to use 'under the street' cabling at some point, that stuff they have just invested in & if they really felt like holding people to ransom/using leverage they would charge large fees to use that.... I doubt they will be scared overall
5G will have to use 'under the street' cabling at some point, that stuff they have just invested in & if they really felt like holding people to ransom/using leverage they would charge large fees to use that.... I doubt they will be scared overall
Mr Pointy said:
Trevatanus said:
BT have obviously shelled out a large chunk of cash upgrading their fibre network and will be recouping that investment in the coming years.
Does the advent of 5g wireless threaten that?
My biggest annoyance with BT is having to pay "line rental" for a line that I do not use for voice, so it's partially redundant.
Now I realise that you need a line for Broadband, and I have considered switching (when available) to Three's 5g home offering, and have pretty much ruled it out, due to my current line being highly available.
Just wondered if we will see a large amount of the population moving away from the traditional method of getting their broadband, and will this cause BT to change their pricing structures and reduce costs?
What has this got to do with BT? They don't supply the infrastructure to deliver your broadband connection.Does the advent of 5g wireless threaten that?
My biggest annoyance with BT is having to pay "line rental" for a line that I do not use for voice, so it's partially redundant.
Now I realise that you need a line for Broadband, and I have considered switching (when available) to Three's 5g home offering, and have pretty much ruled it out, due to my current line being highly available.
Just wondered if we will see a large amount of the population moving away from the traditional method of getting their broadband, and will this cause BT to change their pricing structures and reduce costs?
Mr Pointy said:
What has this got to do with BT? They don't supply the infrastructure to deliver your broadband connection.
The only reason I pay money to BT for a land line is to carry internet traffic. I never use the landline itself. "House" phones become irrelevant in a 5G world, and so does all of the consumer side of BT. Potentially yes and if this encourages roll out of FTTP then this can only be a good thing. Potentially fibre could deliver 100Gbps connectivity to your home, it's being mooted that 5G could do that to but it would really only be in perfect conditions which none of us would ever see in our own homes. At the moment 2Gbps in the maximum expected.
5G comes with its own set of problems - it will never cover the entire UK, the speed you get will depend on how close you are to the base station, how much interference there is, how contended the bearers are, and so on.
It's unlikely a true fibre connection will be bettered by 5G. FTTC though, I can see that getting dropped by some consumers in urban areas when 5G coverage arrives.
5G comes with its own set of problems - it will never cover the entire UK, the speed you get will depend on how close you are to the base station, how much interference there is, how contended the bearers are, and so on.
It's unlikely a true fibre connection will be bettered by 5G. FTTC though, I can see that getting dropped by some consumers in urban areas when 5G coverage arrives.
From what I understand of the frequencies, they are not too good at distance and obstructions. Anyone know for certain?
If that is the case then cells will be tighter and probably have to bolt many to lamp posts or your house or something but they need a feed. I would prefer a fibre in (greater capacity available) rather than rely on a radio signal. I can see it useful in metropolitan area's, stadiums and out of the way places where fibre is not run, but to feed the nodes it will need a fibre which in itself begs the question.
I suppose it will be the users to make that choice, dump a pretty reliable fibre into the house or hope your reception is not flakey. I expect many will want the two way radio option. If you are big business then unlikely, would you as a small business risk an outage due to weather or a lorry knocking the pole over?
If that is the case then cells will be tighter and probably have to bolt many to lamp posts or your house or something but they need a feed. I would prefer a fibre in (greater capacity available) rather than rely on a radio signal. I can see it useful in metropolitan area's, stadiums and out of the way places where fibre is not run, but to feed the nodes it will need a fibre which in itself begs the question.
I suppose it will be the users to make that choice, dump a pretty reliable fibre into the house or hope your reception is not flakey. I expect many will want the two way radio option. If you are big business then unlikely, would you as a small business risk an outage due to weather or a lorry knocking the pole over?
having had a foot in each camp for some time now (albeit with 4G) - I cut the landline, even though they have a FTTP dangling outside the house ready to connect.
I am on EE 4G Router with and external squarial. This is networked through the house on Mesh.
I was reluctant to bin the 'landline' because of a natural attachment over the years an perceived trust in the hardware.
I get a fairly rock solid connection - just tested now while blowing like hell up here on the hill : 116mb down, 40mb up.
I opened a sipgate VOIP account for a perceived landline (keeping my number even and adding another to it too)
Costs me £22pm on EE.
Winner.
rurally the telephone infrastructure and wires on poles has to be more fragile and less likely to be repaired in a rush than a Mast over the valley.
I am on EE 4G Router with and external squarial. This is networked through the house on Mesh.
I was reluctant to bin the 'landline' because of a natural attachment over the years an perceived trust in the hardware.
I get a fairly rock solid connection - just tested now while blowing like hell up here on the hill : 116mb down, 40mb up.
I opened a sipgate VOIP account for a perceived landline (keeping my number even and adding another to it too)
Costs me £22pm on EE.
Winner.
rurally the telephone infrastructure and wires on poles has to be more fragile and less likely to be repaired in a rush than a Mast over the valley.
Do I think so? Probably not. When LTE became a thing, people were convinced it would be the best thing ever, sporting and live music events would see no issues with cell capacity. It is still an issue. Hopefully it forces ISPs towards FTTP. As someone with FTTP internet we should be good for much greater speeds than the gigabit we currently have. I know that being as rural as we are (Although close to Vodafone's HQ) 5G won't be reliable enough to make me drop my fibre connection anytime soon.
It will become the way the majority of us consume broadband within 10 years. Already many just use 4G data on their phones, all the younger generation I know only ever use their phones for internet, most have loads of data and just use that. Home 4G/5G routers will become more and more common.
BT/Openreach have actually seen this coming for a few years, that is why they haven't really invested too much into the fixed line network, no point in spending millions on a network that will eventually become redundant.
BT/Openreach have actually seen this coming for a few years, that is why they haven't really invested too much into the fixed line network, no point in spending millions on a network that will eventually become redundant.
ash73 said:
PushedDover said:
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I opened a sipgate VOIP account for a perceived landline (keeping my number even and adding another to it too)
Costs me £22pm on EE.
Winner.
sipgate looks good, but how are you getting 4G EE broadband for £22pm? The cheapest rate looks to be £35pm for 100gb.I opened a sipgate VOIP account for a perceived landline (keeping my number even and adding another to it too)
Costs me £22pm on EE.
Winner.
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