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Why do all these people go on long runs up the motorway. Always seem to be on 300 mile trips.
Most people just go 20-30 miles to work and back.
EV's would appear to be the exact opposite of ICE in that they are better in stop start town driving where ICE fuel efficiency plunges.
I guess they dont want to spend all day in traffic. I could be wrong but haven't seen any real world usage as I understand it.
Most people just go 20-30 miles to work and back.
EV's would appear to be the exact opposite of ICE in that they are better in stop start town driving where ICE fuel efficiency plunges.
I guess they dont want to spend all day in traffic. I could be wrong but haven't seen any real world usage as I understand it.
Most of our EV usage is only 20-30 miles, hence why we were happy with buying the lowest range Tesla on sale at the time.
We have done coming up to 45k miles in EVs now, so have issues with range. However we have also done family holiday road trips to France, Edinburgh, and regularly do a 160 mile trip to see the inlaws. This summer we are also doing a 1000 mile road trip around the West coast of Scotland.
For the longer trips having good range/charging speed really do matter. I estimate only 5% of our trips are beyond the 200 mile battery range of the car, but if we couldn't do that 5% of trips the car would be a major pain.
Equally we do 300 miles a day work related trips every month or so, in an EV these work trips are all but impossible, even in a £80k+ Long Range Model S. Where as in our other car, a Toyota hybrid it will sit at lane 3 M-way speeds regardless of weather/temp for 500 miles at a time. Infact recently my wife did 400 miles in back to back meetings in less than 24hrs in cold/dark/wet roads with no issues, and there was still enough fuel in the tank to cover the remaining work commute that week.
Our EV is our main family car, but there is nothing on sale today on the EV front which can completely replace our remaining combustion car without introducing inconvenience, and not to mention major cost of purchase. A tool that only works 95% of the time might as well be useless, depending on how much that 5% matters.
We have done coming up to 45k miles in EVs now, so have issues with range. However we have also done family holiday road trips to France, Edinburgh, and regularly do a 160 mile trip to see the inlaws. This summer we are also doing a 1000 mile road trip around the West coast of Scotland.
For the longer trips having good range/charging speed really do matter. I estimate only 5% of our trips are beyond the 200 mile battery range of the car, but if we couldn't do that 5% of trips the car would be a major pain.
Equally we do 300 miles a day work related trips every month or so, in an EV these work trips are all but impossible, even in a £80k+ Long Range Model S. Where as in our other car, a Toyota hybrid it will sit at lane 3 M-way speeds regardless of weather/temp for 500 miles at a time. Infact recently my wife did 400 miles in back to back meetings in less than 24hrs in cold/dark/wet roads with no issues, and there was still enough fuel in the tank to cover the remaining work commute that week.
Our EV is our main family car, but there is nothing on sale today on the EV front which can completely replace our remaining combustion car without introducing inconvenience, and not to mention major cost of purchase. A tool that only works 95% of the time might as well be useless, depending on how much that 5% matters.
Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 11th February 14:04
My argument is they dont show shorter trips . How many times can you go back and forth in a week to a typical job 20 miles away in rush hour stop start..
You could probably plug in overnight at home and never go near a petrol/energy station or use an app or debit card.
Why buy one if you do stupid amounts of travel. The constant anxiety will probably kill you in the end.
You could probably plug in overnight at home and never go near a petrol/energy station or use an app or debit card.
Why buy one if you do stupid amounts of travel. The constant anxiety will probably kill you in the end.
Fundoreen said:
Why do all these people go on long runs up the motorway. Always seem to be on 300 mile trips.
Most people just go 20-30 miles to work and back.
EV's would appear to be the exact opposite of ICE in that they are better in stop start town driving where ICE fuel efficiency plunges.
I guess they dont want to spend all day in traffic. I could be wrong but haven't seen any real world usage as I understand it.
dont watch tesla bjorn he does weekly 1000km trips in just about every type of ev Most people just go 20-30 miles to work and back.
EV's would appear to be the exact opposite of ICE in that they are better in stop start town driving where ICE fuel efficiency plunges.
I guess they dont want to spend all day in traffic. I could be wrong but haven't seen any real world usage as I understand it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK4AKGg3s-8
Most people considering an EV are anxious about doing longer journeys, hence that's where the interest is. If you can plug in at home then you tend to do as many short days as it takes to get down to 30% or so, then plug in. The efficiency of that is largely irrelevant, the difference between the most and least efficient translates to very little in cost to run.
Slow, short journeys are more about how much heating you're using, without a massively inefficient engine up front chucking out heat you need to use the battery for it instead.
Bjorn gets some stick for the relevance of his 1000km tests, but they can be useful to find flaws in cars for those long journeys - which will go on rapid charging quickly after a few in a row, and which will start to slow down.
Slow, short journeys are more about how much heating you're using, without a massively inefficient engine up front chucking out heat you need to use the battery for it instead.
Bjorn gets some stick for the relevance of his 1000km tests, but they can be useful to find flaws in cars for those long journeys - which will go on rapid charging quickly after a few in a row, and which will start to slow down.
Edited by sjg on Tuesday 11th February 17:14
Fundoreen said:
My argument is they dont show shorter trips . How many times can you go back and forth in a week to a typical job 20 miles away in rush hour stop start...
Why would you do a review based on short trips? Even a 2011 1st gen Leaf will still do 20 miles rush hour trip with no issues. In the ones I do, we talk about range, but we don’t focus solely on it. We try to feature more ride and handling. We will also be running a long term MG ZS so will be doing regular updates on day-to-day stuff, like regular commuting, school run, etc.
Happy to PM details of who we are as I can’t advertise the mag on here.
Happy to PM details of who we are as I can’t advertise the mag on here.
In fairness I find a long trip 4 up with loads of stuff in the boot shows up some annoying problems with all cars. So I think it is relevant for most cars plus as has been said nobody is worried about running to the shop in a model 3 but they might be about taking the kids skiing in Meribel.
Like that the boot isn’t actually that big in a p400e and that once you add a full boot and people it scrapes 22 mpg if you are lucky.
Like that the boot isn’t actually that big in a p400e and that once you add a full boot and people it scrapes 22 mpg if you are lucky.
Fundoreen said:
Why do all these people go on long runs up the motorway. Always seem to be on 300 mile trips.
Most people just go 20-30 miles to work and back.
EV's would appear to be the exact opposite of ICE in that they are better in stop start town driving where ICE fuel efficiency plunges.
I guess they dont want to spend all day in traffic. I could be wrong but haven't seen any real world usage as I understand it.
Because it wouldn't be very entertaining or useful. It would go:Most people just go 20-30 miles to work and back.
EV's would appear to be the exact opposite of ICE in that they are better in stop start town driving where ICE fuel efficiency plunges.
I guess they dont want to spend all day in traffic. I could be wrong but haven't seen any real world usage as I understand it.
"Hey viewers, here is me driving to work. Now I drive home via the supermarket. Now I'm home I have my tea."
3 days later...
"Hey viewers, here is me driving to work. Now I drive home via the supermarket. Now I'm home I plug my car in and have my tea."
Might as well make a video about taking the bus to work. It's the same reason we don't see supercar videos about people doing the work commute.
There is one guy with an electric car and he does some great graphs on charging from solar versus time of year etc. In the summer he manages to add about 60 or 70 miles of range to the car using solar each day. In the winter, not so much!
gangzoom said:
Equally we do 300 miles a day work related trips every month or so, in an EV these work trips are all but impossible, even in a £80k+ Long Range Model S.
I do this in my LR Model S. But since most of my remote customers are in the Netherlands, all of them have chargers. They can realistically be over 400km away from me, on their 11kWh chargers it takes me <8h to recharge that amount.And that is without accounting for superchargers.
480km (300 miles) is just out of reach for the LR Model S in winter, but it literally takes 10 minutes at a supercharger to add another 100km to the car to make it work.
I'd say "all but impossible" are a gross overstatement unless you live somewhere where there are no superchargers anywhere and no destination charging, like Ireland apparently.
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