EV Owners Paying Actual Cost Shocker!
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In The Times today. EV owners "ripped off" by roadside chargers that charge far more for electricity than domestic rates.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/roadside-e...
Why is anyone surprised? Home charging is cheap because is uses an existing national grid. If a seperate roadside charging infrastructure is built to cater for EVs obviously the rate set needs to be enough to pay for both the electricity and the cost of the charging stations and associated infrastructure.
EV owners are just so conditioned to being subsidised by everyone else - grants towards buying them, no fuel tax except VAT, free parking, no congestion charging etc etc, that iy's a big shock when they need to pay the true cost of something.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/roadside-e...
Why is anyone surprised? Home charging is cheap because is uses an existing national grid. If a seperate roadside charging infrastructure is built to cater for EVs obviously the rate set needs to be enough to pay for both the electricity and the cost of the charging stations and associated infrastructure.
EV owners are just so conditioned to being subsidised by everyone else - grants towards buying them, no fuel tax except VAT, free parking, no congestion charging etc etc, that iy's a big shock when they need to pay the true cost of something.
Wibble? What infrastructure? The chargers are probably a bit more than the domestic ones, but not that much. Other than that? You do know that electricity cables don’t just go to houses?
I get the purchase is subsidised, but the rest of the things are not not. That’s just paying less tax. Taxes that are in place to discourage the use of ICE cars...
I get the purchase is subsidised, but the rest of the things are not not. That’s just paying less tax. Taxes that are in place to discourage the use of ICE cars...
Electro1980 said:
Wibble? What infrastructure? The chargers are probably a bit more than the domestic ones, but not that much. Other than that? You do know that electricity cables don’t just go to houses?
I get the purchase is subsidised, but the rest of the things are not not. That’s just paying less tax. Taxes that are in place to discourage the use of ICE cars...
Says the bloke who has clearly never picked up the tab for a piece of public facing infrastructure.I get the purchase is subsidised, but the rest of the things are not not. That’s just paying less tax. Taxes that are in place to discourage the use of ICE cars...
Try phoning up the power company and asking for a 300 kW three phase supply to your house.
Or buy an EV with free rapid charging from the car manufacturer.
Tesla are actually not overly expensive - their super chargers change 12gbp ish for a 300 mile charge on a model 3. More than discounted energy rates at home by a margin but not likely to break the bank for someone buying a 40k+ car.
Tesla are actually not overly expensive - their super chargers change 12gbp ish for a 300 mile charge on a model 3. More than discounted energy rates at home by a margin but not likely to break the bank for someone buying a 40k+ car.
Electro1980 said:
Wibble? What infrastructure? The chargers are probably a bit more than the domestic ones, but not that much. Other than that? You do know that electricity cables don’t just go to houses?
I get the purchase is subsidised, but the rest of the things are not not. That’s just paying less tax. Taxes that are in place to discourage the use of ICE cars...
And when they have discourage ICE cars will the taxes still be off or will they find a reason to introduce themI get the purchase is subsidised, but the rest of the things are not not. That’s just paying less tax. Taxes that are in place to discourage the use of ICE cars...
What they will ideally need (and it's going to require a major breakthrough in technology) is extremely rapid charging that can fully recharge a car in 30-60 seconds. You could then site multiple chargers at charging stations in convenient locations at say the side of the road or supermarkets perhaps.
If they can develop that we will all be driving EVs
If they can develop that we will all be driving EVs
over_the_hill said:
What they will ideally need (and it's going to require a major breakthrough in technology) is extremely rapid charging that can fully recharge a car in 30-60 seconds. You could then site multiple chargers at charging stations in convenient locations at say the side of the road or supermarkets perhaps.
If they can develop that we will all be driving EVs
You'll still use the same amount of energy though. If bigger cables are needed to feed these ultra high amperage points then someone is still going to have to pay for it.If they can develop that we will all be driving EVs
Unless you do your weekly shop in Glasgow but live in london then most don't need to need the constant use of roadside chargers. Surely you just put it on charge overnight like a mobile phone?
over_the_hill said:
What they will ideally need (and it's going to require a major breakthrough in technology) is extremely rapid charging that can fully recharge a car in 30-60 seconds. You could then site multiple chargers at charging stations in convenient locations at say the side of the road or supermarkets perhaps.
If they can develop that we will all be driving EVs
Not really required for EVs to take off. If you buy one with a real world range of 225 miles or so then most will only need something other than their home charger a dozen or so times a year (assuming they have space for it).If they can develop that we will all be driving EVs
This came up on another EV thread and really you need a change of mentality with EV. Instead of trying to replicate the refuelling of ICE you need to develop an infrastructure for EV cars.
Home charging will be at the core and then on top putting in charging points at workplace carparks and supermarkets etc. Then lots of fast charging points at motorway service stations using existing carparks. These wont need to charge a car in 30-60 seconds because you will be happy to stop for a toilet break and perhaps a coffee.
No the issue with EV is more where all the power is going to come from, not how to charge them all. As long as the government gets on with properly organising the charging network, which it will need to if we are supposed to go EV only for new cars by 2035.
Edited by JagLover on Sunday 16th February 07:25
When I first got my Zoe, over 5 years ago, charging on rapids was free to use
I was amazed at how long it lasted
Even now there is plenty of free to use charging around
If taxis have to pay standard rapid rates and use rapids all the time, the costs will add up. For most other EV users, charging fees shouldn’t get them too excited yet
I was amazed at how long it lasted
Even now there is plenty of free to use charging around
If taxis have to pay standard rapid rates and use rapids all the time, the costs will add up. For most other EV users, charging fees shouldn’t get them too excited yet
When EVs become the only type of vehicle one can purchase new, there will suddenly be huge tax & price increases, across the board. One doesn't have to look much further than the Renewable Heat Incentive to see how these things pan out: sell it to the public with tempting offers, low taxes & great returns, then as soon as the technology is established, hike up everything.
Whilst I like the idea of electric cars, I will almost certainly be too old to drive when they become mainstream, & perhaps the Reaper will have done the business by then. I guess I've lived through the golden age of ICE!
Whilst I like the idea of electric cars, I will almost certainly be too old to drive when they become mainstream, & perhaps the Reaper will have done the business by then. I guess I've lived through the golden age of ICE!
I’m looking at buying my first house. I’m disregarding any house that doesn't have a drive on the basis that in the next 10 years EV will take off and I’ll need somewhere to charge my car. I have a hybrid pug-in on the way so want to charge it over night.
I can see house prices rising for any property with space for 2 cars to charge on the drive.
I can see house prices rising for any property with space for 2 cars to charge on the drive.
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