Secretary stole £1.2m
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Spared jail.
Just wow.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/17/secret...
This has more information
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8013561/S...
Just wow.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/17/secret...
This has more information
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8013561/S...
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 17th February 22:44
king ludicrous.La Liga said:
There are two aspects here:
The first is that she was given a custodial sentence of two years which means she was sentenced as a category one (the most serious type of theft) offender.
The second is that the sentence was then suspended.
Not sure the Telegraph article gives quite enough detail to conclude the sentencing and suspension were incorrect...
A conman member of a gang that defrauded the NHS to the tune of £1.2m was jailed for 4 yrs 6 months, not suspended.The first is that she was given a custodial sentence of two years which means she was sentenced as a category one (the most serious type of theft) offender.
The second is that the sentence was then suspended.
Not sure the Telegraph article gives quite enough detail to conclude the sentencing and suspension were incorrect...
An additional 10 years was then added when full repayment (as ordered) didn't occur.
turbobloke said:
La Liga said:
There are two aspects here:
The first is that she was given a custodial sentence of two years which means she was sentenced as a category one (the most serious type of theft) offender.
The second is that the sentence was then suspended.
Not sure the Telegraph article gives quite enough detail to conclude the sentencing and suspension were incorrect...
A conman member of a gang that defrauded the NHS to the tune of £1.2m was jailed for 4 yrs 6 months, not suspended.The first is that she was given a custodial sentence of two years which means she was sentenced as a category one (the most serious type of theft) offender.
The second is that the sentence was then suspended.
Not sure the Telegraph article gives quite enough detail to conclude the sentencing and suspension were incorrect...
An additional 10 years was then added when full repayment (as ordered) didn't occur.
1) Circumstances are unique to each case.
2) Anything over two years can't be suspended.
3) That sounds like fraud which carries more serious sentencing.
I never understand the "suspended" idea for cases like this, ie serious, long term theft.
It's like a "don't do it again" , but she was doing this for 13 years..... 13, and nicked £1.2Million!! She doesn't need to do it again!
It's just no deterrent if these people don't go to prison.
As for family, kids etc, I am sorry, but a woman who steals for 13 years from her employer is NO role model. The kid would be better off being brought up by someone with a little more integrity.
It's like a "don't do it again" , but she was doing this for 13 years..... 13, and nicked £1.2Million!! She doesn't need to do it again!
It's just no deterrent if these people don't go to prison.
As for family, kids etc, I am sorry, but a woman who steals for 13 years from her employer is NO role model. The kid would be better off being brought up by someone with a little more integrity.
La Liga said:
turbobloke said:
La Liga said:
There are two aspects here:
The first is that she was given a custodial sentence of two years which means she was sentenced as a category one (the most serious type of theft) offender.
The second is that the sentence was then suspended.
Not sure the Telegraph article gives quite enough detail to conclude the sentencing and suspension were incorrect...
A conman member of a gang that defrauded the NHS to the tune of £1.2m was jailed for 4 yrs 6 months, not suspended.The first is that she was given a custodial sentence of two years which means she was sentenced as a category one (the most serious type of theft) offender.
The second is that the sentence was then suspended.
Not sure the Telegraph article gives quite enough detail to conclude the sentencing and suspension were incorrect...
An additional 10 years was then added when full repayment (as ordered) didn't occur.
1) Circumstances are unique to each case.
2) Anything over two years can't be suspended.
3) That sounds like fraud which carries more serious sentencing.
turbobloke said:
La Liga said:
turbobloke said:
La Liga said:
There are two aspects here:
The first is that she was given a custodial sentence of two years which means she was sentenced as a category one (the most serious type of theft) offender.
The second is that the sentence was then suspended.
Not sure the Telegraph article gives quite enough detail to conclude the sentencing and suspension were incorrect...
A conman member of a gang that defrauded the NHS to the tune of £1.2m was jailed for 4 yrs 6 months, not suspended.The first is that she was given a custodial sentence of two years which means she was sentenced as a category one (the most serious type of theft) offender.
The second is that the sentence was then suspended.
Not sure the Telegraph article gives quite enough detail to conclude the sentencing and suspension were incorrect...
An additional 10 years was then added when full repayment (as ordered) didn't occur.
1) Circumstances are unique to each case.
2) Anything over two years can't be suspended.
3) That sounds like fraud which carries more serious sentencing.
Five counts over £1 million with a suspension certainly sounds like it's pushing it. Although exceptional cases do appear and I don't think it'd be unreasonable to suggest the media like to run with atypical ones as opposed to hundreds of other sentences handed out each week.
La Liga said:
turbobloke said:
La Liga said:
turbobloke said:
La Liga said:
There are two aspects here:
The first is that she was given a custodial sentence of two years which means she was sentenced as a category one (the most serious type of theft) offender.
The second is that the sentence was then suspended.
Not sure the Telegraph article gives quite enough detail to conclude the sentencing and suspension were incorrect...
A conman member of a gang that defrauded the NHS to the tune of £1.2m was jailed for 4 yrs 6 months, not suspended.The first is that she was given a custodial sentence of two years which means she was sentenced as a category one (the most serious type of theft) offender.
The second is that the sentence was then suspended.
Not sure the Telegraph article gives quite enough detail to conclude the sentencing and suspension were incorrect...
An additional 10 years was then added when full repayment (as ordered) didn't occur.
1) Circumstances are unique to each case.
2) Anything over two years can't be suspended.
3) That sounds like fraud which carries more serious sentencing.
Public confidence in the justice system is needed but is eroded by lenient sentencing as above. Excuses from any source, particularly sources within the system, won't wash.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/nov/19/claredy...
No improvement as yet.
turbobloke said:
Judges are more out of touch than politicians, and that takes some effort. In the largest survey of such attitudes (public attitudes) ever published, two out of three respondents thought judges were out of touch with ordinary people's lives.
Public confidence in the justice system is needed but is eroded by lenient sentencing as above. Excuses from any source, particularly sources within the system, won't wash.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/nov/19/claredy...
No improvement as yet.
I've no doubt most of the public, when asked whether 'judges are out of touch' would give that answer. That doesn't mean they have any idea what they are talking about. Public confidence in the justice system is needed but is eroded by lenient sentencing as above. Excuses from any source, particularly sources within the system, won't wash.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/nov/19/claredy...
No improvement as yet.
Although hardly any had direct experience of judges, respondents expressed strong views about them.
Wow, that's me convinced. Sounds like Dunning-Kruger in action to me.
We imprison more people per head than most other countries in the world with more prisons than not classified as over-crowded.
I think we'd quickly run out of space if the general public got their way with what they would want to see as sentences for crimes.
With prison being so effective and all. Here's the population since that article you cited was written. Crime free aren't we?
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 18th February 10:01
Gameface said:
And if she's mother of the year, why didn't she spend the stolen money on her child rather than luxury cars and private numberplates?
I think this says it all about the women.'She now said she had stolen in order for her child to have a privileged upbringing. The offending predates her child's birth.'
The only person she has thought about is herself. The husband might be better being away from someone that toxic.
How come the various people she stole from, who all seem to be the same family or closely related, had quite so much cash sloshing around in their current accounts? I mean I can't imagine she didn't expect them to work out quite quickly who'd done them all over, so was she counting on them being let's say less than willing to go to the authorities about her thefts, or was she really just utterly stupid.
I'm amazed at how these people get away with it for so long, the directors must have had very poor control of their company finances, it looks like she was the only person who looked at the bank accounts (other than the daughter, later!)
It reminds me of Amanda Cox, who stole £1.7m to fund a drag racing team:
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/godal...
It reminds me of Amanda Cox, who stole £1.7m to fund a drag racing team:
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/godal...
Prizam said:
Pesty said:
White male privilege strikes again
Yep, this. I know personaly a white, male bloke who did exactly the same. just over 1m. Got 5 years.This was a very basic fraud where the actual supplier was the same, but the rogue employee authorised a new one, and all invoices, with a dummy company run by her fella just adding 20% to the actual suppliers invoices and ending them on to our company Purchase Ledger dept, which the rogue the arranged to authorise and have paid.
Went on a while and was £400k.
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