40 New Hospitals

[TwigtheWonderkid]

This is a big boast of the PM, and he had his new cabinet chanting the mantra just the other day. But it's occurred to me, over a 5 year term, that's a new hospital every 6.5 weeks. So we're fast approaching being 2 hospitals behind schedule aleady.

Am I being cynical in thinking this actually might not happen. But then again, surely the PM wouldn't lie to us??? I'm conflicted on what to think.

[aeropilot]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

This is a big boast of the PM, and he had his new cabinet chanting the mantra just the other day. But it's occurred to me, over a 5 year term, that's a new hospital every 6.5 weeks. So we're fast approaching being 2 hospitals behind schedule aleady.

Am I being cynical in thinking this actually might not happen. But then again, surely the PM wouldn't lie to us??? I'm conflicted on what to think.

The last new build NHS hospital project I worked on, took 7 years from planning/scheme design to opening its doors to its customers......

So, in a 5 year term, the chances of any being built and in operation in that time is close to zero IMHO.

[eharding]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

This is a big boast of the PM, and he had his new cabinet chanting the mantra just the other day. But it's occurred to me, over a 5 year term, that's a new hospital every 6.5 weeks. So we're fast approaching being 2 hospitals behind schedule aleady.

I'm pretty sure they might be able to come up with some cunning wheeze that involves building more than one at a time.

Not that I trust Boris, and I doubt that they could have them completed by the end of the current 5 year term, but if he can point to 40 new hospitals under construction at the end of it, then he could claim to be delivering on his promise. We'll see.

[FourWheelDrift]

1 new hospital = 1 old hospital that was closed repainted, renamed and reopened.

[Sophisticated Sarah]

What’s the point in building the hospitals when they cannot get the staff? Takes three years on a course full of unrelated bks to become a nurse now.

[abzmike]

Everybody knows that 40 hospitals will not be built in 5 years.
However the 'aspiration' is there, and we are told we can judge the success or failure of the government at the next election. The days where manifesto commitments were worth the paper they were written on are far in the past.

[gazza285]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

This is a big boast of the PM, and he had his new cabinet chanting the mantra just the other day. But it's occurred to me, over a 5 year term...

Why, when the plan is to have forty new hospitals by 2030, are you working on a five year time scale?

[aeropilot]

gazza285 said:

Why, when the plan is to have forty new hospitals by 2030, are you working on a five year time scale?

Well, even 40 new hospitals by 2030 is still quite ambitious in terms of timeline......

[turbobloke]

gazza285 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

This is a big boast of the PM, and he had his new cabinet chanting the mantra just the other day. But it's occurred to me, over a 5 year term...

Why, when the plan is to have forty new hospitals by 2030, are you working on a five year time scale?

/thread

[Wonderman]

Just for context:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-hospital-bu...

gov said:

At the centre of this plan is a new hospital building programme, which the government has launched with a £2.8 billion investment that gives 6 new large hospitals the funding to go ahead now, aiming to deliver by 2025.

A further 21 schemes have been given the go-ahead with the seed funding they need to develop their business cases, with the aim of delivering between 2025 and 2030, subject to business case approvals.

In total this programme involves more than 40 hospital building projects as some schemes involve the development of more than one hospital site. All local areas will have the opportunity to bid to be part of future funding rounds.

The 6 trusts getting £2.7 billion in funding today to develop new hospitals are:

Barts Health Trust
Epsom and St Helier Trust
West Hertfordshire Trust
Princess Alexandra Hospital Trust
University Hospitals of Leicester Trust
Leeds Teaching Hospitals Trust
Details of 6 trusts receiving funding (PDF, 39 KB, 1 page)

The 21 schemes receiving £100 million of seed funding include:

Addenbrookes hospital in Cambridge
Queen’s Medical Centre in Nottingham
North Manchester General Hospital
List of 21 trusts receiving seed funding (PDF, 43.5 KB, 1 page)

Today’s investment is on top of the extra £33.9 billion a year by 2023 to 2024 that the government is providing to the NHS. It follows the government’s recent commitment of £1.8 billion in capital funding for 20 hospital upgrades and other critical infrastructure works for the NHS, as well as the announcement on Friday of £200 million to replace more than 300 diagnostic machines across the country to help drive earlier cancer diagnosis and improve survival.

My local one had already put in £350m business case to try and clear backlog maintenance, part of the "new" hospital was an additional £50m... note this is not free money, they are loans that have to be paid back to central government, our local hospital/ commissioners can't afford the repayment

Edited by Wonderman on Tuesday 18th February 15:20

[captain_cynic]

I suspect it will be similar to the nurses they are planning to "hire".

We built one hospital, but here's 39 we didn't close.

[768]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

But it's occurred to me, over a 5 year term, that's a new hospital every 6.5 weeks. So we're fast approaching being 2 hospitals behind schedule aleady.

Aside from the already covered issue with your time period, you seem to have a blind spot for concurrency.

[Hoofy]

I heard the reality was 6 completely new hospitals and 20 refurbed ones. So nothing like 40 new hospitals.

Wonderman said:

new hospitals are:

Epsom and St Helier Trust

If Epsom and St Helier are in this then I fear it's worse than described. Are they planning on knocking down TWO hospitals to build ONE? That means we lose a hospital so Bojo the clown should have said we're planning on closing two hospitals to build a new one. Epsom and St Helier are currently two hospitals in two separate areas.

[anonymous-user]

I predict he will laugh it off
‘let’s not talk about stats, let’s get brexit/hs2/etc done’ ‘oven ready’ or some other mindless drivel
No doubt lapped up by the hard of thinking

[Hoofy]

Jimboka said:

I predict he will laugh it off
‘let’s not talk about stats, let’s get brexit/hs2/etc done’ ‘oven ready’ or some other mindless drivel
No doubt lapped up by the hard of thinking

Probably right there. With a healthy dose of peerrghhh!

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Hoofy said:

Jimboka said:

I predict he will laugh it off
‘let’s not talk about stats, let’s get brexit/hs2/etc done’ ‘oven ready’ or some other mindless drivel
No doubt lapped up by the hard of thinking

Probably right there. With a healthy dose of peerrghhh!

Indeed. His motto seems to be "don't cloud the issue with facts".

[Digga]

Sophisticated Sarah said:

What’s the point in building the hospitals when they cannot get the staff? Takes three years on a course full of unrelated bks to become a nurse now.

^This.

Our local A&E, Stafford, stopped running 24hrs about 10 years back, allegedly because they could not get the staff. Not sure if this means the NHS overall has a shortage, or whether their management systems are insufficiently robust to 'make' people work in a hospital with a dreadful (previous) reputation.

It's not the only one, perhaps it's easier to get staff for newly minted wastes of public money because they have (as yet) unblemished records.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Digga said:

Sophisticated Sarah said:

What’s the point in building the hospitals when they cannot get the staff? Takes three years on a course full of unrelated bks to become a nurse now.

^This.

Our local A&E, Stafford, stopped running 24hrs about 10 years back, allegedly because they could not get the staff. Not sure if this means the NHS overall has a shortage, or whether their management systems are insufficiently robust to 'make' people work in a hospital with a dreadful (previous) reputation.

It's not the only one, perhaps it's easier to get staff for newly minted wastes of public money because they have (as yet) unblemished records.

The staff shortage will be eased so long as we don't do anything stupid to fk up our European freedom of movement rights and so long as we continue to welcome foreign workers.

[Digga]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Digga said:

Sophisticated Sarah said:

What’s the point in building the hospitals when they cannot get the staff? Takes three years on a course full of unrelated bks to become a nurse now.

^This.

Our local A&E, Stafford, stopped running 24hrs about 10 years back, allegedly because they could not get the staff. Not sure if this means the NHS overall has a shortage, or whether their management systems are insufficiently robust to 'make' people work in a hospital with a dreadful (previous) reputation.

It's not the only one, perhaps it's easier to get staff for newly minted wastes of public money because they have (as yet) unblemished records.

The staff shortage will be eased so long as we don't do anything stupid to fk up our European freedom of movement rights and so long as we continue to welcome foreign workers.

I'd always assumed most of the NHS immigrant workers were from RoW, not EU: https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBr...

5.5% of all staff, of which 13.1% are not British: 13.1 - 5.5 = 7.6%

Broadly speaking though, I agree that the requirement of the overall UK economy needs consideration with regard to who and what skills we allow into the country.

[gazza285]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Indeed. His motto seems to be "don't cloud the issue with facts".

A bit like the first post.