Democrats - are they about to have their 'Corbyn'?
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so if Bernie Sanders gets the Democrat nod due to support of students etc, is he going to be their Corbyn? lots of noise, but no electoral outcome.
Or are the left leaning voters about to be abandoned with Bloomberg v Trump in the hope Bloomberg has the financial clout to out Trump Trump!
Or are the left leaning voters about to be abandoned with Bloomberg v Trump in the hope Bloomberg has the financial clout to out Trump Trump!
tamore said:
so if Bernie Sanders gets the Democrat nod due to support of students etc, is he going to be their Corbyn? lots of noise, but no electoral outcome.
Or are the left leaning voters about to be abandoned with Bloomberg v Trump in the hope Bloomberg has the financial clout to out Trump Trump!
So the Democrats choose a Republican to fight Trump.Or are the left leaning voters about to be abandoned with Bloomberg v Trump in the hope Bloomberg has the financial clout to out Trump Trump!
Crazy plan, but might just work - it did for Blair
Remember Trump was once a Democrat....in fact, he’s changed his affiliations 5 times, it appears!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_...
bloomen said:
The prime question is does the average American voter regard such sickening horrors as universal health as worse than Corbyn's flat out Chavezism?
Which of Corbyn's policy was particularly left wing, privatizing the railways? The would only happen in venezuela or most of Europe and the UK once the private sector routinely fails to successfully operate a franchise.Corbyn: just attacks the tories, no clear plan, manifesto lacks any credibility.
Sanders: positive, has views, has policies that pass the SMART test.
But US is likely to see him as very left wing, and very old having had a heart attack. Then again trump seems to have dementia so no better.
Sanders: positive, has views, has policies that pass the SMART test.
But US is likely to see him as very left wing, and very old having had a heart attack. Then again trump seems to have dementia so no better.
Fittster said:
bloomen said:
The prime question is does the average American voter regard such sickening horrors as universal health as worse than Corbyn's flat out Chavezism?
Which of Corbyn's policy was particularly left wing, privatizing the railways? The would only happen in venezuela or most of Europe and the UK once the private sector routinely fails to successfully operate a franchise.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/21/w...
I’m sure you think it’s quite reasonable. It however got the actual reaction it deserved.
Don’t skim read it; properly understand what it was proposing. Properly silly.
Grrbang said:
Corbyn: just attacks the tories, no clear plan, manifesto lacks any credibility.
Sanders: positive, has views, has policies that pass the SMART test.
But US is likely to see him as very left wing, and very old having had a heart attack. Then again trump seems to have dementia so no better.
Some of it is pretty centrist (at least in Europe).Sanders: positive, has views, has policies that pass the SMART test.
But US is likely to see him as very left wing, and very old having had a heart attack. Then again trump seems to have dementia so no better.
Some of it is walking a fine line. Breaking up Tech Giants? Sure the baby bell acts last century dealt with the Bell company monopoly but I’m not even sure how you break up Google. And it probably wouldn’t be positive for America.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-...
Ridgemont said:
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Ridgemont, the above aside, I read this earlier which was based on research from folks at Yale.Their argument makes sense to me - are you personally against this?
If so, why? Their figures seem to stack up:
https://www.newsweek.com/medicare-all-would-save-4...
As far as I am aware Sanders isn't a complete tw*t like Corbyn and hasn't spent his life supporting "noble" terrorist "friends" who kill Americans and Jews.
So the situations isn't totally comparable as there were many working class folk over here happy with a more left wing economic agenda who couldn't stand Corbyn.
So the situations isn't totally comparable as there were many working class folk over here happy with a more left wing economic agenda who couldn't stand Corbyn.
There do seem to be parallels, particularly in the enthusiasm of their cult-like supporters.
I wonder if the Democrats have learned anything at all from the Trump thing. They seem to be appealing to a subset of the same voters who didn't win the election for them last time.
From what I've seen of them, Warren looks by far the most impressive candidate and surely stands a better chance of drawing in Trump voters than Sanders who will certainly alienate them.
I wonder if the Democrats have learned anything at all from the Trump thing. They seem to be appealing to a subset of the same voters who didn't win the election for them last time.
From what I've seen of them, Warren looks by far the most impressive candidate and surely stands a better chance of drawing in Trump voters than Sanders who will certainly alienate them.
Ridgemont said:
Some of it is pretty centrist (at least in Europe).
Some of it is walking a fine line. Breaking up Tech Giants? Sure the baby bell acts last century dealt with the Bell company monopoly but I’m not even sure how you break up Google. And it probably wouldn’t be positive for America.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-...
Those are mostly damn good policies, but I agree tech companies could be a sticking point, as well as slashing military spending even though it’s too high.Some of it is walking a fine line. Breaking up Tech Giants? Sure the baby bell acts last century dealt with the Bell company monopoly but I’m not even sure how you break up Google. And it probably wouldn’t be positive for America.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-...
Grrbang said:
Ridgemont said:
Some of it is pretty centrist (at least in Europe).
Some of it is walking a fine line. Breaking up Tech Giants? Sure the baby bell acts last century dealt with the Bell company monopoly but I’m not even sure how you break up Google. And it probably wouldn’t be positive for America.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-...
Those are mostly damn good policies, but I agree tech companies could be a sticking point, as well as slashing military spending even though it’s too high.Some of it is walking a fine line. Breaking up Tech Giants? Sure the baby bell acts last century dealt with the Bell company monopoly but I’m not even sure how you break up Google. And it probably wouldn’t be positive for America.
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-...
I think (and this is all personal opinion or how I see it looking in). Corbyn, didn't really do a lot, he ast on the fence on Brexit, which I think was his biggest downfall, but he spent most of his time just attacking the Tories for the sake of it, without any workable solutions himself.
I see this mirrored with the US, in that the Democrats have spent the last 3 years, just attacking Trump and going after him on a personal level. Rather than trying to understand why Trump succeeded and replicating that, but with their own workable policies.
Any political party that spends more time just attacking the opposition, rather than trying to prove that they'd be better in some way will fail to make gains. People want and deserve positive response to things, not all negativity.
All just IMO of course.
I see this mirrored with the US, in that the Democrats have spent the last 3 years, just attacking Trump and going after him on a personal level. Rather than trying to understand why Trump succeeded and replicating that, but with their own workable policies.
Any political party that spends more time just attacking the opposition, rather than trying to prove that they'd be better in some way will fail to make gains. People want and deserve positive response to things, not all negativity.
All just IMO of course.
AshVX220 said:
I think (and this is all personal opinion or how I see it looking in). Corbyn, didn't really do a lot, he ast on the fence on Brexit, which I think was his biggest downfall, but he spent most of his time just attacking the Tories for the sake of it, without any workable solutions himself.
I see this mirrored with the US, in that the Democrats have spent the last 3 years, just attacking Trump and going after him on a personal level. Rather than trying to understand why Trump succeeded and replicating that, but with their own workable policies.
Any political party that spends more time just attacking the opposition, rather than trying to prove that they'd be better in some way will fail to make gains. People want and deserve positive response to things, not all negativity.
All just IMO of course.
What workable policies has Trump come up with? I see this mirrored with the US, in that the Democrats have spent the last 3 years, just attacking Trump and going after him on a personal level. Rather than trying to understand why Trump succeeded and replicating that, but with their own workable policies.
Any political party that spends more time just attacking the opposition, rather than trying to prove that they'd be better in some way will fail to make gains. People want and deserve positive response to things, not all negativity.
All just IMO of course.
Why do you think Sanders policies are unworkable? Take the big one of free healthcare, it works in every other major Western economy in someway.
Fittster said:
bloomen said:
The prime question is does the average American voter regard such sickening horrors as universal health as worse than Corbyn's flat out Chavezism?
Which of Corbyn's policy was particularly left wing, privatizing the railways? The would only happen in venezuela or most of Europe and the UK once the private sector routinely fails to successfully operate a franchise.Fittster said:
What workable policies has Trump come up with?
Why do you think Sanders policies are unworkable? Take the big one of free healthcare, it works in every other major Western economy in someway.
Why do you think healthcare is free? It's not free and never has been free, anywhere in the world. The citizens of that country pay for it. Why do you think Sanders policies are unworkable? Take the big one of free healthcare, it works in every other major Western economy in someway.
Camelot1971 said:
Fittster said:
What workable policies has Trump come up with?
Why do you think Sanders policies are unworkable? Take the big one of free healthcare, it works in every other major Western economy in someway.
Why do you think healthcare is free? It's not free and never has been free, anywhere in the world. The citizens of that country pay for it. Why do you think Sanders policies are unworkable? Take the big one of free healthcare, it works in every other major Western economy in someway.
Why is it unworkable in the US?
Fittster said:
Camelot1971 said:
Fittster said:
What workable policies has Trump come up with?
Why do you think Sanders policies are unworkable? Take the big one of free healthcare, it works in every other major Western economy in someway.
Why do you think healthcare is free? It's not free and never has been free, anywhere in the world. The citizens of that country pay for it. Why do you think Sanders policies are unworkable? Take the big one of free healthcare, it works in every other major Western economy in someway.
Why is it unworkable in the US?
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