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anonymous-user

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83 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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My mum has a house worth 260-280k, no mortgage, pension income about 1.3k a month after tax, She is 70.

She is looking for an equity release,interest only loan or loan.

What are the best options as most likely will never sell up, until she dies, looking for 60k.

At 2% interest only about 150 quid a month, about 600 full payment over 10 years.

Edited by Thesprucegoose on Sunday 23 February 17:03

chip*

1,822 posts

257 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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RIO / Retirement Interest Only loan?

https://www.nationwide.co.uk/products/mortgages/bo...

IIRC, the article I read a while back said a RIO was supposedly cheaper than an Equity release, but you should check this yourself.

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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From what I hear the equity release companies lend you about 1/3 of the value, then hope to get most of the remaining 2/3 in compounded interest over the years.

Does your mother really need a lump sum?

anonymous-user

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83 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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Simpo Two said:

Does your mother really need a lump sum?
House needs some work, and wants to clear some debts.

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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I can't help thinking that overall it's an incredibly expensive way to borrow (one's own) money.

anonymous-user

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83 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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Simpo Two said:
I can't help thinking that overall it's an incredibly expensive way to borrow (one's own) money.
What other solutions, a remortage/loan?

At 70 can't see many offering loans. It might be expensive but it releases capital from the house and would allow my mum to stop working. I'm not fussed on it impacting any inheritance it's her house to do as she wants.

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
and would allow my mum to stop working
Ah, you added another criterion.

Just do the maths and choose wisely, that's all I'd say. You can only pull the eject handle once.

anonymous-user

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83 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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say 60k over 10 year interest only,3% interest, 1.8k a year. 10 years time house should surely be worth more. If need to pay off either sell or loan against house, seems fair to me. Considering pension is guarenteed so income stable.

anonymous-user

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83 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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If you're in a position to do so, consider buying the house from her (at market value) and renting it back to her (at market rent).

anonymous-user

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83 months

Sunday 23rd February 2020
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rockin said:
If you're in a position to do so, consider buying the house from her (at market value) and renting it back to her (at market rent).
unfortutely I am not.

mikeiow

8,150 posts

159 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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Perhaps drop Sarnie a message on here?
He appears to be Mr MortgagePH, & might have some useful advice or comments for you!

i prefer a flan

89 posts

79 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
has a house, no mortgage, pension income about 1.3k a month after tax, She is 70.
Seems like a decent position to be in as it stands.

anonymous-user

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83 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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i prefer a flan said:
Seems like a decent position to be in as it stands.
Yes but CC's about 400 a month, 10-15k I think. Offered to help but stubborn. Plus house needs updating andrepairs.

Looking at 60k interest only works out 60 quid a month.

I can understand people saying it's expensive, but my brother isn't bothered and I would rather my mum enjoys it now, she is asset rich but cash poor.

Rameez-Q

337 posts

98 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
Yes but CC's about 400 a month, 10-15k I think. Offered to help but stubborn. Plus house needs updating andrepairs.

Looking at 60k interest only works out 60 quid a month.

I can understand people saying it's expensive, but my brother isn't bothered and I would rather my mum enjoys it now, she is asset rich but cash poor.
She could explore selling the house for a reduced amount with a clause that the house is rented to her for the duration of her lifetime and cannot be sold?

Thus she keeps the house till required and frees up equity?

My friend was showing me a house that had such a clause, sold for a fair bit under HR but sold within a few hours of being listed.

Mr Pointy

13,344 posts

188 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
Yes but CC's about 400 a month, 10-15k I think. Offered to help but stubborn. Plus house needs updating andrepairs.

Looking at 60k interest only works out 60 quid a month.

I can understand people saying it's expensive, but my brother isn't bothered and I would rather my mum enjoys it now, she is asset rich but cash poor.
There was an article in the Telegraph about RIO loans/mortgages:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/personal-banking/mortg...

I'd definately PM Sarnie for advice.

Muzzer79

13,058 posts

216 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
has a house, no mortgage, pension income about 1.3k a month after tax, She is 70.
Can't you lend her the money?

Either through your own savings or through a loan yourself against her signing over equity in the house?

If I had £1300 a month, on my own, with no mortgage, I'd be sitting quite pretty. What does she spend it on?

What will she spend the £60k on?

I had a family member do this. She spent £15k on a bathroom renovation that should have cost no more than half that, £7k on garden renovations that should have cost £2k and was then left overgrown, replaced individual windows rather than the whole lot - again at an inflated price.

Difficult when it's her house and her money. I get that you're not worried about inheritance, but you want to see her get value for her asset - out of sheer principle.





Fast Bug

13,551 posts

190 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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My Mum did equity release a few years ago unbeknown to me, she's now mid seventies and wants to go to warden assisted and the equity release people will transfer to another house, but not warden assisted. This seems to be fairly common, so if she does go down that route double check if there are any conditions like this in the agreement.

anonymous-user

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83 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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Muzzer79 said:
Can't you lend her the money?
It may be a simple thing to most PHers but I don't have 60k spare. If i did I would but that is why i am asking on here.

Luckily my dad had a good policy when he died 30 odd years ago. left my mum with mortagae free house and an annuity for rest of her life. She earns miminum wage and not great with money, not the worst but no where near PH levels.

She would like money to sort house out, clear debt and a bit to enjoy life and give up working, whilst using the house as collateral. Sh won't move, i offered to help her with debts, but very stubborn.

Grandad Gaz

5,281 posts

275 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
Muzzer79 said:
Can't you lend her the money?
It may be a simple thing to most PHers but I don't have 60k spare. If i did I would but that is why i am asking on here.

Luckily my dad had a good policy when he died 30 odd years ago. left my mum with mortagae free house and an annuity for rest of her life. She earns miminum wage and not great with money, not the worst but no where near PH levels.

She would like money to sort house out, clear debt and a bit to enjoy life and give up working, whilst using the house as collateral. Sh won't move, i offered to help her with debts, but very stubborn.
We had the same problem with my dad. Unfortunately, with my Mum being in a care home with acute dementia, they refused him outright.

If I were you, I would get your mum to take out as much as she can. If she needs to go into care at a later date, the council will make sure they use the sale of her house to fund her care, so there won’t be any inheritance coming to you anyway!

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Monday 24th February 2020
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Thesprucegoose said:
House needs some work, and wants to clear some debts.
She would not be clearing any debt. She would just be replacing one debt with another (possibly more costly) debt.