Is 45 weeks too long to repair a piece of road?
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Broken culvert under road
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-5167...
45 weeks
28 mile diversion
Cost 28miles x N motorists x T trips.
How much would the local turnpike repairers charge?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-5167...
45 weeks
28 mile diversion
Cost 28miles x N motorists x T trips.
How much would the local turnpike repairers charge?
45 weeks is damn nearly a year. Plus, you just know that they won't be working on it at weekends and only between 9am-4pm on the other days of the week, providing the weather is pleasant, even still they'll overrun.
If China can build a hospital in 8 days or whatever it was, then the UK ought to be able to fix a small section of road in less than 45 weeks!
If China can build a hospital in 8 days or whatever it was, then the UK ought to be able to fix a small section of road in less than 45 weeks!
I saw that earlier and was amazed. They claim they have to design a solution which is fair enough, but why not a temporary repair.
Drop a concrete pipe in the brook along side the problem area, backfill it, something to spread the load over the top such as a concrete pad, weight restriction and/or single file with lights.
If they *really* wanted to do it, it is less than a day's work to do a temporary workaround.
Drop a concrete pipe in the brook along side the problem area, backfill it, something to spread the load over the top such as a concrete pad, weight restriction and/or single file with lights.
If they *really* wanted to do it, it is less than a day's work to do a temporary workaround.
oyster said:
Mr Whippy said:
Why does it need designing?
Just make it a Ford ffs.
Or 2ft steel tube, bury it, cover it. Figure out the design later if you feel you need to.
Design something after you’ve built it? I can’t see any reason why that wouldn’t work. Ever.Just make it a Ford ffs.
Or 2ft steel tube, bury it, cover it. Figure out the design later if you feel you need to.
Then design a pipe with bells and whistles to satisfy the rubber stamp people.
No ideas for a name said:
I saw that earlier and was amazed. They claim they have to design a solution which is fair enough, but why not a temporary repair.
Drop a concrete pipe in the brook along side the problem area, backfill it, something to spread the load over the top such as a concrete pad, weight restriction and/or single file with lights.
If they *really* wanted to do it, it is less than a day's work to do a temporary workaround.
Agree. A few years ago in a similar situation the adjacent landowner bulldozed a road around the problem area, laid some tarmac and charged a small toll to cover his £20,000 costs. Drop a concrete pipe in the brook along side the problem area, backfill it, something to spread the load over the top such as a concrete pad, weight restriction and/or single file with lights.
If they *really* wanted to do it, it is less than a day's work to do a temporary workaround.
28 mile diversion is unreasonable, local council should be providing a better solution than that.
45 weeks?
f
k me. Just break out the existing carriageway, grub out the existing failed structure, level & compact the existing ground, stone up with a 600mm thick layer of MOT Type 1, level & compact the stone, then place a precast concrete box section (purchased "off the shelf" from a company like F.P. McCann) in the culvert. Reinstate road surface. Job done.Four weeks. Tops.
Christ, my company started the construction of a large in situ concrete box on the side of a remote Welsh hillside in the first week of December last year. 35m long x 16m wide with walls 4m high. We were complete for the 3rd week of January.
45 weeks? In 44 weeks we poured 5,500m3 of concrete over 19 floors on a new development in Birmingham city centre.
Chrisgr31 said:
The A26 collapsed near us due to a broken culvert over Christmas. It was repaired within a week. 45 weeks is ridiculous.
I vaguely recall an earthquake in Southern California some 18-20 years back, can’t pin down the exact time period, where a load of freeways were badly damaged, and they were open again within 100 days.One that I personally witnessed, was while en route from Chattanooga TN to Savannah GA. on I.75.
I was coming up on the exits for Atlanta, Midtown, Peachtree, and Downtown, and in the centre lane, passing some trucks.
Suddenly a car ahead of me must have realised that he was going to miss his exit, but instead of waiting until the 18 wheeler that he was passing had gone on, then moving in behind it, he just moved to the right, and went under the trailer, which carried on and went right over the car.
I kept going, with my wife saying, “Christ! Did you see that?”
I said, “Better figure a way round this for when we come back to Atlanta tomorrow, if the cops here are like they are back home, the road will be closed for a month.”
Imagine my surprise when I came up I.75 North next afternoon, and there was no sign that there’d been a crash the day before, the Southbound lanes were wide open.
No ideas for a name said:
Borrow a Bailey Bridge (or the modern equivalent) from the Army - make it an exercise.
It just looks like there is no will to do it.
It's that "modern equivalent" bit where you'll find the problem. I expect the modern equivalents are made of moulded plastic and full of fancy electronics, take a week to assemble, don't work when it's wet and cost £150m each.It just looks like there is no will to do it.
We just seem to have generally lost the art of doing stuff.
The only thing I can possibly think of is that someone requested a hydraulic model of the stream which meant a survey of the upstream catchment, model build and verification etc.
I could see that taking 45 weeks.
Why they didn't put something temporary in though god knows - even if it was just a best guess for capacity which could then be checked as a scenario later.
I could see that taking 45 weeks.
Why they didn't put something temporary in though god knows - even if it was just a best guess for capacity which could then be checked as a scenario later.
The actual work will take 4-6 weeks max. The issue will be the 3-6 months for the pre-contract ‘necessities’ involving several consultancy reports at ££££s (kerching!). For example the Environmental Impact assessment (especially if it is a SSSI, which it could well be in the Fens). Gotta look after those great crested newts, bats etc. Plus nobody has picked up the BT duct hanging precariously over the void. That and any other utilities affected will also need a month’s pre-planning and ‘network reinforcing’ at vast expense (the level of which will invariably be difficult to comprehend). These days the actual building doesn’t take that long, the procedures to actually allow it to happen are mind-boggling.
also we are going to need these
6 portacabins with 20 desks and 20 computers with broadband connection
an onsite block of toilets
a welfare cabin with drying room
6000 traffic cones 50 non orange traffic cones (those funky blue and red ones look good)
4 hiluxes plastered in orange lights and motorway maintenance stickers
4 diggers
2 telehandlers
a site compound with 24 hour security guard
a temporary car park
a team of 30 men just for admin, including an hse guy, a guy to make sure the iso 9001 paperwork is done and a guy to stand on the gate all day in an orange oompah loompa suit with a walkie talkie. They all need colour coded hard hats and woe betide anyone wearing the wrong colour.
Then you have to find somebody to dig the road up and rebuild it. If they fail to comply to some trivial rule and cannot complete the paperwork as required they will be sacked mid job. After all people who fill holes and move muck really should be able to produce at least 16 A4 folders of stuff nobody will ever read or care about before picking up a shovel,but you have to have it
However when they have finished you will have the finest culvert in the county and know that it can survive the next 2 nuclear holocausts and will be a wonder of the world in 10000 years time to our descendants.
The job will go 3 times over budget and take twice as long as the 45 week estimate.
6 portacabins with 20 desks and 20 computers with broadband connection
an onsite block of toilets
a welfare cabin with drying room
6000 traffic cones 50 non orange traffic cones (those funky blue and red ones look good)
4 hiluxes plastered in orange lights and motorway maintenance stickers
4 diggers
2 telehandlers
a site compound with 24 hour security guard
a temporary car park
a team of 30 men just for admin, including an hse guy, a guy to make sure the iso 9001 paperwork is done and a guy to stand on the gate all day in an orange oompah loompa suit with a walkie talkie. They all need colour coded hard hats and woe betide anyone wearing the wrong colour.
Then you have to find somebody to dig the road up and rebuild it. If they fail to comply to some trivial rule and cannot complete the paperwork as required they will be sacked mid job. After all people who fill holes and move muck really should be able to produce at least 16 A4 folders of stuff nobody will ever read or care about before picking up a shovel,but you have to have it
However when they have finished you will have the finest culvert in the county and know that it can survive the next 2 nuclear holocausts and will be a wonder of the world in 10000 years time to our descendants.
The job will go 3 times over budget and take twice as long as the 45 week estimate.
bristolracer said:
also we are going to need these
6 portacabins with 20 desks and 20 computers with broadband connection
an onsite block of toilets
a welfare cabin with drying room
6000 traffic cones 50 non orange traffic cones (those funky blue and red ones look good)
4 hiluxes plastered in orange lights and motorway maintenance stickers
4 diggers
2 telehandlers
a site compound with 24 hour security guard
a temporary car park
a team of 30 men just for admin, including an hse guy, a guy to make sure the iso 9001 paperwork is done and a guy to stand on the gate all day in an orange oompah loompa suit with a walkie talkie. They all need colour coded hard hats and woe betide anyone wearing the wrong colour.
Then you have to find somebody to dig the road up and rebuild it. If they fail to comply to some trivial rule and cannot complete the paperwork as required they will be sacked mid job. After all people who fill holes and move muck really should be able to produce at least 16 A4 folders of stuff nobody will ever read or care about before picking up a shovel,but you have to have it
However when they have finished you will have the finest culvert in the county and know that it can survive the next 2 nuclear holocausts and will be a wonder of the world in 10000 years time to our descendants.
The job will go 3 times over budget and take twice as long as the 45 week estimate.
Sounds like our place, apart from the quality of the end product.6 portacabins with 20 desks and 20 computers with broadband connection
an onsite block of toilets
a welfare cabin with drying room
6000 traffic cones 50 non orange traffic cones (those funky blue and red ones look good)
4 hiluxes plastered in orange lights and motorway maintenance stickers
4 diggers
2 telehandlers
a site compound with 24 hour security guard
a temporary car park
a team of 30 men just for admin, including an hse guy, a guy to make sure the iso 9001 paperwork is done and a guy to stand on the gate all day in an orange oompah loompa suit with a walkie talkie. They all need colour coded hard hats and woe betide anyone wearing the wrong colour.
Then you have to find somebody to dig the road up and rebuild it. If they fail to comply to some trivial rule and cannot complete the paperwork as required they will be sacked mid job. After all people who fill holes and move muck really should be able to produce at least 16 A4 folders of stuff nobody will ever read or care about before picking up a shovel,but you have to have it
However when they have finished you will have the finest culvert in the county and know that it can survive the next 2 nuclear holocausts and will be a wonder of the world in 10000 years time to our descendants.
The job will go 3 times over budget and take twice as long as the 45 week estimate.
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