Migrant crisis part two

[Ridgemont]

Turkey has said (even if it needs to be verified) that the restrictions on Syrian migrant progress into Turkey and beyond have been lifted.

Turkey is showing a trickle of migrants moving along roads currently but C4 has just had an interview with Syrian refugees stating that if the borders are going to be open there will be 5 million on the hoof shortly, if Syria continues with its attacks in Idlib.

This is a potential collapse of the agreement with the EU (championed by Cameron at the time) which requested that Turkey to close the gates on the flood of migrants which triggered over a million people entering the EU.

Alongside Coronavirus this could all get a bit messy if serious numbers are let through.

https://www.khaama.com/turkey-borders-opened-for-r...

Apologies if this has been raised before: couldn’t see a thread with the crappy search function.

[Earthdweller]

Yup it appears Turkey has opened the border

Seems it’s kicking off on a few of the Greek islands with Greek civilians fighting Greek security forces

Meanwhile there are call for an urgent EU meeting and NATO to step in to close the border

Hey ho

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/tens...

https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/27/at-least-22-tu...

https://m.facebook.com/GreekReporter/

Edited by Earthdweller on Friday 28th February 19:58

Edited by Earthdweller on Friday 28th February 20:01

[Ridgemont]

So the question will be whether the EU somehow swings behind Turkey v the Russian standoff in Idlib.
What’s the cost to stopping this.
Meanwhile hundreds of potential coronavirus vectors ambling through Turkey.
Should be fun!

[Sophisticated Sarah]

Earthdweller said:

Yup it appears Turkey has opened the border

Seems it’s kicking off on a few of the Greek islands with Greek civilians fighting Greek security forces

Meanwhile there are call for an urgent EU meeting and NATO to step in to close the border

Hey ho

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/tens...

https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/27/at-least-22-tu...

https://m.facebook.com/GreekReporter/

Edited by Earthdweller on Friday 28th February 19:58

Edited by Earthdweller on Friday 28th February 20:01

Didn’t Macron, second in command of the EU, slag NATO off last year?

[SlimJim16v]

Erdoğan is a . I can see this getting very nasty at the Greek and Bulgarian borders.

[grumbledoak]

We should help the SAA and Russia blow the st out of the terrorists in Idlib, then the Syrians can all go home and Erdogan can stick his blackmail up his arse.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

They should give Nicola Sturgeon a call, she would take the lot of them..... Then give them the right to vote.

[JagLover]

grumbledoak said:

We should help the SAA and Russia blow the st out of the terrorists in Idlib, then the Syrians can all go home and Erdogan can stick his blackmail up his arse.

The vast majority of the refugees have fled the Syrian regime so not at all sure how killing the few left fighting that regime will get everyone going home again.

This illustrates really the problem with asylum laws. We all know by now that it results in permanent migration to the west, not a temporary refuge during a conflict, and there is very little appetite to take in the millions of refugees generated by such conflicts.

Eventually there will be a change and there will also be a change in the mood here if the thousands crossing the Channel illegally become tens of thousands.

[grumbledoak]

JagLover said:

The vast majority of the refugees have fled the Syrian regime so not at all sure how killing the few left fighting that regime will get everyone going home again.

That's not really true though, is it. Most are not fleeing "The Regime". If we stopped funding the "moderate" head choppy nutcases just because they oppose Assad, and the US got out of Syria's oil fields, we could let the country stabilize and even prosper. Then those fleeing war could return and the economic migration would end.

Our current foreign policy is creating both types of migration and enabling Erdogan's blackmail. To no benefit to us.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

I don't see many women and children in amongst those doctors and engineers.

Bribing Erdogan was never going to work.

[AJL308]

The EU is fked due to its own arrogance and complacency. Good job we are out!

How many of these desperate child refugees will Lilly Allen be personally taking taking in, I wonder?

[Biker 1]

AJL308 said:

The EU is fked due to its own arrogance and complacency. Good job we are out!

How many of these desperate child refugees will Lilly Allen be personally taking taking in, I wonder?

I would perhaps have used slightly less fruity language, but I agree with this

[HD Adam]

The EU seemed only too happy to have a hard border in Ireland so I'm sure they'll be ok for putting one up between them & Turkey.

Job Sorted

[Earthdweller]

It seems the Turks have launched an offensive claiming to have shot down two Syrian jets and destroyed over 100 tanks belonging to the Russian backed forces

The Turks are claiming that they are not intending to provoke the Russians

Will be interesting to see how this plays out !

[RichFN2]

Earthdweller said:

It seems the Turks have launched an offensive claiming to have shot down two Syrian jets and destroyed over 100 tanks belonging to the Russian backed forces

The Turks are claiming that they are not intending to provoke the Russians

Will be interesting to see how this plays out !

Looking at the 2nd video in this link its hard to argue with those numbers (aerial footage, work safe)
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kI8KG_1582987131

The Syrian army must of suffered a large loss of life during these airstrikes, hard to see Syria not reacting to this

[anonymous-user]

AJL308 said:

The EU is fked due to its own arrogance and complacency. Good job we are out!

How many of these desperate child refugees will Lilly Allen be personally taking taking in, I wonder?

So how will us leaving the EU have any affect on illegal immigration ? Lol

[Not-The-Messiah]

Jimboka said:

AJL308 said:

The EU is fked due to its own arrogance and complacency. Good job we are out!

How many of these desperate child refugees will Lilly Allen be personally taking taking in, I wonder?

So how will us leaving the EU have any affect on illegal immigration ? Lol

Because they come into the EU as illegal immigrants and eventually they become either EU citizens free to go anywhere or the EU will eventually force some sort of quota system on its members. In both cases we can now say no.

[Digga]

SlimJim16v said:

Erdo?an is a .

I've edited that, to be more succinct. A very dangerous one at that.

[untakenname]

Are we still selling arms to Turkey?
Seems odd that Russia are selling them arms when it looks like they are using them against their allies, I have a feeling that at some point soon Turkey will kill some Russian troops and then Russia will kick off, they already have sent multiple warships to the area which are still on route.

[Mrr T]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Jimboka said:

AJL308 said:

The EU is fked due to its own arrogance and complacency. Good job we are out!

How many of these desperate child refugees will Lilly Allen be personally taking taking in, I wonder?

So how will us leaving the EU have any affect on illegal immigration ? Lol

Because they come into the EU as illegal immigrants and eventually they become either EU citizens free to go anywhere or the EU will eventually force some sort of quota system on its members. In both cases we can now say no.

It never takes the "I hate the EU" team long to turn up.

Firstly they are not necessarily illegal immigrants. They may or may not have a right to enter. That will be determined later. If they have no right to asylum they will never get citizenship which means the EU country they enter can try to deport them. Even if they are not deported they would never be able to legally travel to the UK whether we where in the EU or not.

If they have the right to asylum this would normally take 2-3 years to determine. It would then take 5 years and a language test before they could legally enter the UK.