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slopes said:
So let me get this straight
A Norton engine in a BSA frame is a Norbsa
A Triumph engine in a Norton frame is a Triton
So if that is the case, surely a Vincent engine in a Norton frame would be a Vinton
BSA engine in Norton Featherbed frame. A Norton engine in a BSA frame is a Norbsa
A Triumph engine in a Norton frame is a Triton
So if that is the case, surely a Vincent engine in a Norton frame would be a Vinton
I'm sure somebody, somewhere, has put a Norton engine in a BSA frame, but it wasn't the norm.
I've seen Vinton used, but, again, usually it was Norvin.
Wacky Racer said:
NS400R said:
You can buy every part you need for a Vincent new, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Really?Google will probably find several UK companies that will sell you a new-build engine.
Wacky Racer said:
NS400R said:
You can buy every part you need for a Vincent new, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Really?https://www.transportworld.co.nz/general/the-ignit...
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2007...
Edited by NS400R on Sunday 1st March 06:56
slopes said:
So let me get this straight
A Norton engine in a BSA frame is a Norbsa
A Triumph engine in a Norton frame is a Triton
So if that is the case, surely a Vincent engine in a Norton frame would be a Vinton
And a Vincent engine in an Indian frame (the factory made a few as a possible replacement for the old side-valve v-twin) was a Vindian A Norton engine in a BSA frame is a Norbsa
A Triumph engine in a Norton frame is a Triton
So if that is the case, surely a Vincent engine in a Norton frame would be a Vinton
Norvin. Probably the most over-rated and over-priced bike you can buy, in brutal truth.
Other than rarity, they are a mish mash of nightmare upkeep and incredibly mediocre performance.
A guy in North London had one about 4 years ago and he was regularly handed his arse on a plate by bikes like a KTM Duke 690.
Yeah they are charismatic, British, blah blah, but the £30,000 he fetched for his would buy you SO much more.
A V4 1100 Tuono or Super Duke 1290 plus a wedge of £50 notes, par example.
Other than rarity, they are a mish mash of nightmare upkeep and incredibly mediocre performance.
A guy in North London had one about 4 years ago and he was regularly handed his arse on a plate by bikes like a KTM Duke 690.
Yeah they are charismatic, British, blah blah, but the £30,000 he fetched for his would buy you SO much more.
A V4 1100 Tuono or Super Duke 1290 plus a wedge of £50 notes, par example.
70 year-old hand built (maybe even home built) motor in a 70 year-old frame out-performed by modern bike shocker. Even if the motor or frame are reproductions the design is still 70 years old; hell the motor design is from the 40s. I think even a good one would struggle to put out much more than 55hp...which was a mighty impressive figure in the 50s.
I don't think anyone in the market for a Norvin will be remotely interested in a KTM, Aprilia or anything else modern; I'm certainly not, but I'd happily give a Norvon garage-space, although I'd prefer an Egli Vincent
I don't think anyone in the market for a Norvin will be remotely interested in a KTM, Aprilia or anything else modern; I'm certainly not, but I'd happily give a Norvon garage-space, although I'd prefer an Egli Vincent
tvrolet said:
70 year-old hand built (maybe even home built) motor in a 70 year-old frame out-performed by modern bike shocker. Even if the motor or frame are reproductions the design is still 70 years old; hell the motor design is from the 40s. I think even a good one would struggle to put out much more than 55hp...which was a mighty impressive figure in the 50s.
I don't think anyone in the market for a Norvin will be remotely interested in a KTM, Aprilia or anything else modern; I'm certainly not, but I'd happily give a Norvon garage-space, although I'd prefer an Egli Vincent
The motor was designed to run low grade petrol. The gearbox was intended to take much more power. So you should be able to increase power relatively easily these days. Up to a point.. . I don't think anyone in the market for a Norvin will be remotely interested in a KTM, Aprilia or anything else modern; I'm certainly not, but I'd happily give a Norvon garage-space, although I'd prefer an Egli Vincent
NS400R said:
The motor was designed to run low grade petrol. The gearbox was intended to take much more power. So you should be able to increase power relatively easily these days. Up to a point.. .
The Irving Vincent lot have got quite a bit of power out of the Vincent engine, albeit in well developed form!"By early 1999, the plan was to build a couple of “Classic” racing sidecars and solos under the Irving Vincent HRD, (Horner Racing Development) banner, but somewhere during the three year development and production of CAD drawings, patterns, jigs, tooling, castings and fixtures, the solo took precedence. Bike #1, built to contest the Period 4, Classic category, producing 130bhp, (97kW) was unveiled with Ken riding a few demo laps during the lunchbreak of the 2003 Philip Island Classic meeting.
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"Never to rest on one’s laurels and continuing with the original objective, that of pursuing the limits of Phil Irving’s 1936, 45 horsepower, air-cooled, “pushrod” design, the world-renowned ‘Daytona Speed Week’ in Florida, USA was chosen as the next objective. The stakes would be raised considerably due to having never raced there before, let alone on “banked” corners, plus they’d be competing against the very latest in modern V-twin technology – including multiple World Superbike Manufacturer’s Champion, Ducati and world-class riders, the likes of multiple World Superbike Champion, Doug Polen. On top of all this, the event program only allowed for 12 laps of practice. It was an insane prospect, but one the brothers Horner grasped with both hands, building a purpose-built 1600cc, 165bhp, (123 kW) machine. What an objective!
Source
Grindle said:
Norvin. Probably the most over-rated and over-priced bike you can buy, in brutal truth.
Other than rarity, they are a mish mash of nightmare upkeep and incredibly mediocre performance.
A guy in North London had one about 4 years ago and he was regularly handed his arse on a plate by bikes like a KTM Duke 690.
Yeah they are charismatic, British, blah blah, but the £30,000 he fetched for his would buy you SO much more.
A V4 1100 Tuono or Super Duke 1290 plus a wedge of £50 notes, par example.
I thought half term was a few weeks ago..............?Other than rarity, they are a mish mash of nightmare upkeep and incredibly mediocre performance.
A guy in North London had one about 4 years ago and he was regularly handed his arse on a plate by bikes like a KTM Duke 690.
Yeah they are charismatic, British, blah blah, but the £30,000 he fetched for his would buy you SO much more.
A V4 1100 Tuono or Super Duke 1290 plus a wedge of £50 notes, par example.
gareth h said:
Pothole said:
The Metisse Mk5 looks like a decent alternative to me...
Ooh! I like that.I've heard there's decent government incentives available for budding motorcycle manufacturers, especially a historic brand with racing heritage etc...
Pothole said:
The only fly in the ointment is that the current owner is trying to offload the company.
I've heard there's decent government incentives available for budding motorcycle manufacturers, especially a historic brand with racing heritage etc...
Wasp make Rickman frames, which are similar but less caff racer, more offroader. My brother's ordered a frame that he's going to put a Velocette engine in.I've heard there's decent government incentives available for budding motorcycle manufacturers, especially a historic brand with racing heritage etc...
His mate has one with a Triumph engine and it's a work of art!
https://thebikeshed.cc/chelseas-wasp-rickman-metis...
There seem to be two "official" manufacturers of Rickman frames (official in that they both started with parts bought from the Rickman brothers).
One is Adrian Moss's Rickman Motorcycles in Stroud.
The other is Metisse, which was originally MRD Metisse, just up the road from me in Kingswood near Bristol (in fact, MRD, then owned by the late Pat French, made a Pantah fairing bracket for me about 25 years ago).
There are also a number of people, like Wasp, who make "unofficial" Rickman frames.
The Rickman brothers were originally known for the Tribsa scramblers they built and raced - BSA frame, Triumph engine (and, IIRC, Norton forks).
Then they went into business making scrambler frame kits.
Followed by road racing frame kits.
Then road going kits.
Then complete road bikes using Triumph, Honda, and Kawasaki engines.
Hence the two types of frame - road racing/cafe racer and scrambles/street scrambler.
There were some oddities along the way, like the Rickman Enfields, and a 125 Zundapp engined scrambler that was also built as a police bike.
One is Adrian Moss's Rickman Motorcycles in Stroud.
The other is Metisse, which was originally MRD Metisse, just up the road from me in Kingswood near Bristol (in fact, MRD, then owned by the late Pat French, made a Pantah fairing bracket for me about 25 years ago).
There are also a number of people, like Wasp, who make "unofficial" Rickman frames.
The Rickman brothers were originally known for the Tribsa scramblers they built and raced - BSA frame, Triumph engine (and, IIRC, Norton forks).
Then they went into business making scrambler frame kits.
Followed by road racing frame kits.
Then road going kits.
Then complete road bikes using Triumph, Honda, and Kawasaki engines.
Hence the two types of frame - road racing/cafe racer and scrambles/street scrambler.
There were some oddities along the way, like the Rickman Enfields, and a 125 Zundapp engined scrambler that was also built as a police bike.
Edited by gareth_r on Monday 2nd March 20:02
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