Mk2 Touareg vs C7 A6 Avant vs F11 vs Octy VRS etc etc....
Discussion
I've been window shopping for some time for a new family wagon. We have a 1 year old son, will likely have a newborn by Christmas, two dogs and make regular trips from Lancashire to North Wales and Devon and back to see family.
Currently in a e91 325i that is a good steer, but just not quite big enough in the back seat area, and could do with a little more room in the boot to make packing luggage easier without upsetting the dogs!
Criteria is: Estate/SUV with plenty of room in the boot/back seats, heated front seats (had them in one car, can't be without them now), plenty of grunt and a half decent steer - although power alone will suffice - to keep me from getting itchy fingers (a known issue), comfortable, reliable, not ruinous to run (35mpg avg will do) and sensible enough to sell to the OH as a family hack, max £15k outlay.
I hate small, slow, cheap crossovers (think qashqai, kadjar and the like)
I discounted E-class mercs for price and maintenance costs, and some questionable histories, LR Discovery 4 for potential borkage and Skoda Superb for poorer quality interior (and generally not fast enough for my liking).
I initially narrowed it down to:
C7 A6 Avant 3.0tdi 240ps/bitdi
F11 530/535d (looked for 530/535i but they're rarer than a rare thing and keep their value too well)
Then OH threw a possible spanner in saying the 325 is too low for her liking and she struggles to get our son into/out of the car seat, so looked at:
XC70/60 D5
7P Touareg (2010-18) 245/262
The more I look at the Toerag the more I like it, but I know it will be a little more expensive to run/maintain. All opinions are welcome.
Basically, Help!!!!
Currently in a e91 325i that is a good steer, but just not quite big enough in the back seat area, and could do with a little more room in the boot to make packing luggage easier without upsetting the dogs!
Criteria is: Estate/SUV with plenty of room in the boot/back seats, heated front seats (had them in one car, can't be without them now), plenty of grunt and a half decent steer - although power alone will suffice - to keep me from getting itchy fingers (a known issue), comfortable, reliable, not ruinous to run (35mpg avg will do) and sensible enough to sell to the OH as a family hack, max £15k outlay.
I hate small, slow, cheap crossovers (think qashqai, kadjar and the like)
I discounted E-class mercs for price and maintenance costs, and some questionable histories, LR Discovery 4 for potential borkage and Skoda Superb for poorer quality interior (and generally not fast enough for my liking).
I initially narrowed it down to:
C7 A6 Avant 3.0tdi 240ps/bitdi
F11 530/535d (looked for 530/535i but they're rarer than a rare thing and keep their value too well)
Then OH threw a possible spanner in saying the 325 is too low for her liking and she struggles to get our son into/out of the car seat, so looked at:
XC70/60 D5
7P Touareg (2010-18) 245/262
The more I look at the Toerag the more I like it, but I know it will be a little more expensive to run/maintain. All opinions are welcome.
Basically, Help!!!!
I had a Touareg 262 for a year, having previously owned a 525d (E61) and a Ford Galaxy as my "big" cars.
The Touareg is a great car, but I found it just a bit too big for comfort once away from the main roads. Length is fine, but it is a very wide car.
I replaced it with a Skoda Superb 280 L&K estate, which is a fair bit quicker, has much more space inside, and is a little cheaper to run. Around 6" narrower too.
The Touareg is a great car, but I found it just a bit too big for comfort once away from the main roads. Length is fine, but it is a very wide car.
I replaced it with a Skoda Superb 280 L&K estate, which is a fair bit quicker, has much more space inside, and is a little cheaper to run. Around 6" narrower too.
SUV wise there are three picks for me at this price point, both will be 2014> with less than 50k with punchy 3.0d engines.
Infiniti QX50 GT these are pretty much impossible to beat aprt from not having the right badge but that works to your advantage & lands you a car with killer (360 Cameras/Adaptive Cruise/DAB/Heated Seats/Sunroof etc) spec, low mileage & a 2016 car as well as good family wagon.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Limited
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
D5 XC60 R Design Nav very good cars compared to the two above they have a nicer interior than the Grand Cherokee but they counter with more space the QX has the best fit & finish as well as being the best option at this price point.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Estate wise here's where I'd be looking:
CLS350 265
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
E350 AMG Sport
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
E350 Sport
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
530d M Sport
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
535d M Sport
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
A6 240 S Line
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
BiTDI SE 315
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
242 Allroad
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Infiniti QX50 GT these are pretty much impossible to beat aprt from not having the right badge but that works to your advantage & lands you a car with killer (360 Cameras/Adaptive Cruise/DAB/Heated Seats/Sunroof etc) spec, low mileage & a 2016 car as well as good family wagon.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Limited
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
D5 XC60 R Design Nav very good cars compared to the two above they have a nicer interior than the Grand Cherokee but they counter with more space the QX has the best fit & finish as well as being the best option at this price point.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Estate wise here's where I'd be looking:
CLS350 265
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
E350 AMG Sport
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
E350 Sport
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
530d M Sport
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
535d M Sport
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
A6 240 S Line
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
BiTDI SE 315
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
242 Allroad
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
That is an interesting list of models. Hadn't considered the Jeep as I assumed (daftly) they would be miles out of budget - wrong!! That is a definite option opener there.
Ref the QX50, badge snobbery hasn't really got me in its grips but that car is ugly as sin!! Also looks to be a slight downsize from where we are now, rear seat space is a big must have and that just doesn't cut it Shame, because as you say it's very well specced as standard.
I'm considering the XC60 (and the XC70) as viable options, I just need to look at one in the flesh and check on room in the back of the '60 and it may be a front runner. I have noticed the XC70 has a factory fit dog guard which folds into the roof space - very clever addition which hasn't gone unnoticed!
I have kind of discounted the Benz estates on the maintenance front. Whilst I can afford to keep one (I wouldn't be looking at stuff like this if I couldn't), I have a hard time swallowing the parts prices I keep seeing should something go wrong. It is in the back of my mind as an option though, would be nice to waft around imperiously in complete luxury!
The other german estates are ones I'm already seriously considering - love the outside of the f10/11 5 series in any guise, and the interior is growing on me by the day. Love the interior of the A6, but the shell looks a bit porky still. I saw an Allroad in the flesh this afternoon, couldn't help but compare it to a tonka toy with the way it looks! Would tick all boxes though....
ETA:
Ref the QX50, badge snobbery hasn't really got me in its grips but that car is ugly as sin!! Also looks to be a slight downsize from where we are now, rear seat space is a big must have and that just doesn't cut it Shame, because as you say it's very well specced as standard.
I'm considering the XC60 (and the XC70) as viable options, I just need to look at one in the flesh and check on room in the back of the '60 and it may be a front runner. I have noticed the XC70 has a factory fit dog guard which folds into the roof space - very clever addition which hasn't gone unnoticed!
I have kind of discounted the Benz estates on the maintenance front. Whilst I can afford to keep one (I wouldn't be looking at stuff like this if I couldn't), I have a hard time swallowing the parts prices I keep seeing should something go wrong. It is in the back of my mind as an option though, would be nice to waft around imperiously in complete luxury!
The other german estates are ones I'm already seriously considering - love the outside of the f10/11 5 series in any guise, and the interior is growing on me by the day. Love the interior of the A6, but the shell looks a bit porky still. I saw an Allroad in the flesh this afternoon, couldn't help but compare it to a tonka toy with the way it looks! Would tick all boxes though....
ETA:
clockworks said:
I had a Touareg 262 for a year, having previously owned a 525d (E61) and a Ford Galaxy as my "big" cars.
The Touareg is a great car, but I found it just a bit too big for comfort once away from the main roads. Length is fine, but it is a very wide car.
I replaced it with a Skoda Superb 280 L&K estate, which is a fair bit quicker, has much more space inside, and is a little cheaper to run. Around 6" narrower too.
I get what you mean ref the width issue, it's something we'll have to look at and test for ourselves if it gets that far. I'd go for a Superb 280 in a flash, but there aren't any in my budget on autotrader (this is the cheapest nationally, and the only one below £20k: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202... ) or on here, bummer.The Touareg is a great car, but I found it just a bit too big for comfort once away from the main roads. Length is fine, but it is a very wide car.
I replaced it with a Skoda Superb 280 L&K estate, which is a fair bit quicker, has much more space inside, and is a little cheaper to run. Around 6" narrower too.
Edited by BornRageFree on Sunday 1st March 23:00
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