How do we think US negotiations will go
How do we think US negotiations will go
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Fittster

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20,120 posts

237 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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So as well as the UK - EU trade deal the government are starting to work on a deal with the US.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51706802

The government has estimated a post-Brexit trade deal with the United States would boost the UK economy by 0.16% over the next 15 years.

It suggests a number of economic sectors, including energy, carmaking and construction are expected to benefit from a boost if a deal is struck.

However, it said a US deal would lead to a long-term 0.5% reduction in the output of the financial services sector, with resources "reallocated" to other areas.

The UK, as expected, pledges to protect consumer standards and the NHS. But America wants more access for its farmers, which would likely necessitate a relaxing of standards.

The US has also specified it wants to be able to veto the UK's ability to strike deals with "non-market economies" meaning the likes of China




Countdown

47,779 posts

220 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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It will be a negotiation between equals. The US won't take advantage of the fact that we're in a much weaker position now than if we had been part of the EU. Just as they've done with the TPP, the TTIP, and with NAFTA they'll look for a win-win position rather than bully us into a "Our way or the Huawei" deal.

Joking aside, they hold ALL the cards. We'll be lucky if they let us keep our underpants.

amusingduck

9,649 posts

160 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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Countdown said:
It will be a negotiation between equals. The US won't take advantage of the fact that we're in a much weaker position now than if we had been part of the EU. Just as they've done with the TPP, the TTIP, and with NAFTA they'll look for a win-win position rather than bully us into a "Our way or the Huawei" deal.

Joking aside, they hold ALL the cards. We'll be lucky if they let us keep our underpants.
What cards do they hold?

TriumphStag3.0V8

5,177 posts

105 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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amusingduck said:
What cards do they hold?
ALL of them. Apparently.

andymadmak

15,393 posts

294 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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Fittster said:
The UK, as expected, pledges to protect consumer standards and the NHS. But America wants more access for its farmers, which would likely necessitate a relaxing of standards.
I keep seeing this line of argument being used, but it really is lazy journalism.
I would agree with a restriction on beef produced with HGPs, but most of the other hysterical, inaccurate stuff in the media is simply that - hysterical and inaccurate.

Vanden Saab

17,448 posts

98 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
amusingduck said:
What cards do they hold?
ALL of them. Apparently.
Some seem to think that if you export more to a country than you import you hold all the cards. Strange but true.


Earthdweller

18,181 posts

150 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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I’m cautiously optimistic

I think Trump is a man that likes results .. he has an election in November

I think he will want a deal .. he’ll want to use it for his re-election bid

I think if we don’t get one though and Trumo loses then a Dem President May be a whole different position

But who knows !

amgmcqueen

3,520 posts

174 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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Time to buy shares in KYjelly...

slightlyoldgit

586 posts

224 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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I suspect quite well - there will be posturing just because there always is in such matters.

However, when all is said and done I suspect a decent outcome for us that if done well, will also enable a stronger position in our EU negotiations as well.

The US and UK have always been more natural trading partners for the most part and are generally more complimentary than competitive.

zbc

1,009 posts

175 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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Earthdweller said:
I think if we don’t get one though and Trumo loses then a Dem President May be a whole different position

Has Theresa joined the Democratic race?

Piha

7,150 posts

116 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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I think this will be a win for the U.K. as surely we hold all the cards and the USA needs us more than we need them!

In Boris we trust.

Teppic

7,945 posts

281 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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Didn't Trump once say something along the lines of "If you're not screwing the other country over in a trade deal, they are the ones screwing you"?

MC Bodge

28,076 posts

199 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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Earthdweller said:
I’m cautiously optimistic

I think Trump is a man that likes results .. he has an election in November

I think he will want a deal .. he’ll want to use it for his re-election bid

I think if we don’t get one though and Trumo loses then a Dem President May be a whole different position

But who knows !
Eh?

Trump likes results... For the US.

dai1983

3,167 posts

173 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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Maximum of 0.16% is that it?

Vanden Saab

17,448 posts

98 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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MC Bodge said:
Earthdweller said:
I’m cautiously optimistic

I think Trump is a man that likes results .. he has an election in November

I think he will want a deal .. he’ll want to use it for his re-election bid

I think if we don’t get one though and Trumo loses then a Dem President May be a whole different position

But who knows !
Eh?

Trump likes results... For the US.
The way some people are talking you would think a FTA only benefits one side, it does makes you wonder why any country bothers...scratchchin

pequod

8,997 posts

162 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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Hopefully well, and I look forward to buying my Levi's at a sensible price and obtaining the style of my choice rather than Levi Europe dictating what can be sold here!

550's?

MC Bodge

28,076 posts

199 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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Vanden Saab said:
The way some people are talking you would think a FTA only benefits one side, it does makes you wonder why any country bothers...scratchchin
No, but the UK, even though it has now thrown off the shackles of its own large trade bloc union and reinstated the British Empire, may not be in much of a position to dictate terms.

It will require some careful balancing to strike non-conflicting deals with the US and the EU that don't damage the UK too much.

s2art

18,942 posts

277 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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I doubt it will make much difference to total trade. However we may get a win by importing more stuff from the USA at lower prices than we pay the EU. Some foodstuffs and wine for instance. WE cant get a significant boost until we start negotiating with individual states WRT financial services.

MC Bodge

28,076 posts

199 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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s2art said:
I doubt it will make much difference to total trade. However we may get a win by importing more stuff from the USA at lower prices than we pay the EU. Some foodstuffs and wine for instance. WE cant get a significant boost until we start negotiating with individual states WRT financial services.
Without going hysterical about "chlorinated chicken", US mass-produced food really isn't all that at all.

frisbee

5,511 posts

134 months

Monday 2nd March 2020
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MC Bodge said:
Without going hysterical about "chlorinated chicken", US mass-produced food really isn't all that at all.
Have they succeeded in making chocolate that doesn't taste like sick yet?