E10 PETROL LIST FOR BIKES/SCOOTERS
Discussion
A500leroy said:
All sounds very positive with all those models listed but with so many well out of warranty there's zero risk to manufacturers making optimistic promises. Anyone else remember some car makers saying their cars were safe to run on unleaded only for it to turn out to be false?
Ed. said:
All sounds very positive with all those models listed but with so many well out of warranty there's zero risk to manufacturers making optimistic promises.
Anyone else remember some car makers saying their cars were safe to run on unleaded only for it to turn out to be false?
France and Germany are already using E10 without issues. Anyone else remember some car makers saying their cars were safe to run on unleaded only for it to turn out to be false?
If you have a classic it should be straight forward to convert it - line the tank and new fuel lines with modern materials.
Don Roque said:
This had me thinking about my T595 Daytona this afternoon. Plenty have warped tanks from ethanol in petrol already (mine has always been fine though). If there is a solution I'll gladly take it, if not it might be time for a new bike.
This is an issue for various Ducati models too. There was a class action in the USA in 2009 or something due to fuel tanks swelling.there are kits to wash out the ethanol, but they usually lead to a drop in RON.
http://www.ethanil.co.uk
My 1927 Sunbeam motorcycle HATES ethanol. The ethanol crap attacks plastics, cork gaskets, copper, aluminium and steel. If I leave fuel in the tank for more than a couple of weeks, corrosion sets in which stops the float bowl moving causing flooding of the carb !
GovernMENTAL morons do what morons do, ethanol is NOT a clean fuel (cutting down rain forests and killing orangutangs is not a good idea). Add 10% ethanol and your fuel consumption rises by a similar amount. The Sunbeam is not an everyday bike so water absorbing fuel is a big problem.
Don Roque said:
This had me thinking about my T595 Daytona this afternoon. Plenty have warped tanks from ethanol in petrol already (mine has always been fine though). If there is a solution I'll gladly take it, if not it might be time for a new bike.
I have a plastic tanked Triumph as well, a 955 Daytona. Is leaving the tank half or nearly empty an option on these or have I misunderstood what happens.impprobable said:
there are kits to wash out the ethanol, but they usually lead to a drop in RON.
http://www.ethanil.co.uk
My 1927 Sunbeam motorcycle HATES ethanol. The ethanol crap attacks plastics, cork gaskets, copper, aluminium and steel. If I leave fuel in the tank for more than a couple of weeks, corrosion sets in which stops the float bowl moving causing flooding of the carb !
GovernMENTAL morons do what morons do, ethanol is NOT a clean fuel (cutting down rain forests and killing orangutangs is not a good idea). Add 10% ethanol and your fuel consumption rises by a similar amount. The Sunbeam is not an everyday bike so water absorbing fuel is a big problem.
Interesting, I was thinking about how you would remove the ethanol from petrol if need be. I've changed my fuel lines to CODAN R9 on most my old stuff, and only run the premium fuels such as bp ultimate, I still believe there is some ethanol in them. The brass in carburettors is prone to damage I believe, as well as aluminium used in the castings / filters / regulators.http://www.ethanil.co.uk
My 1927 Sunbeam motorcycle HATES ethanol. The ethanol crap attacks plastics, cork gaskets, copper, aluminium and steel. If I leave fuel in the tank for more than a couple of weeks, corrosion sets in which stops the float bowl moving causing flooding of the carb !
GovernMENTAL morons do what morons do, ethanol is NOT a clean fuel (cutting down rain forests and killing orangutangs is not a good idea). Add 10% ethanol and your fuel consumption rises by a similar amount. The Sunbeam is not an everyday bike so water absorbing fuel is a big problem.
Right pain in the arse. How do you replace the brass parts, will they be making new needles / jets / fittings in another metal perhaps that isn't susceptible to damage from ethanol.
Of course, as the energy per ml is less for ethanol you have to re-jet and possibly re-time your machines to run it, no fancy sensors to do it on the fly.
Incoherent ramble over!
impprobable said:
there are kits to wash out the ethanol, but they usually lead to a drop in RON.
http://www.ethanil.co.uk
My 1927 Sunbeam motorcycle HATES ethanol. The ethanol crap attacks plastics, cork gaskets, copper, aluminium and steel. If I leave fuel in the tank for more than a couple of weeks, corrosion sets in which stops the float bowl moving causing flooding of the carb !
GovernMENTAL morons do what morons do, ethanol is NOT a clean fuel (cutting down rain forests and killing orangutangs is not a good idea). Add 10% ethanol and your fuel consumption rises by a similar amount. The Sunbeam is not an everyday bike so water absorbing fuel is a big problem.
O/T; What kind of Sunbeam have you got? We've got a 1930 Model 9 to 90 spec http://www.ethanil.co.uk
My 1927 Sunbeam motorcycle HATES ethanol. The ethanol crap attacks plastics, cork gaskets, copper, aluminium and steel. If I leave fuel in the tank for more than a couple of weeks, corrosion sets in which stops the float bowl moving causing flooding of the carb !
GovernMENTAL morons do what morons do, ethanol is NOT a clean fuel (cutting down rain forests and killing orangutangs is not a good idea). Add 10% ethanol and your fuel consumption rises by a similar amount. The Sunbeam is not an everyday bike so water absorbing fuel is a big problem.
Agreed ehanol is a pain in the arse, mainly as it attacks the old tank linings people put in as a matter of course when restoring bikes in the 80s and 90s!
I just remembered that whenever I'm going to be storing a bike for a while, on the last ride turn the petcock / fuel tap off and ride the last half mile or so on the contents of the float bowl, then leave it idling until the engine stops. With a car I guess the feed could be clamped to the carburettor to achieve the same. Could then give it a "tickle" if an amal to totally empty it, few more boot overs to clear anything in the manifold? Just thinking out loud.
BuzzBravado said:
In what way will ethanol be an issue for older bikes? I have:
1972 T250
1978 Z200
1979 XS650
Is it an issue with combustion/timing etc or is something to do with materials?
From yours, none id say from my experience..as said above, this isnt a new fuel, its been in Europe since 2011/12 IIRC and there are far more classic bikes on the road over there than here, been abroad a few times of recent with my friends on classic and modern bikes, couldn't notice any difference in any respect...If your storing something for a length of time, its always been advised to drain the fuel system...Keep calm and carry on Sir.. Ethanol attacking plastic fuel tanks again isnt new but could be of more concern with E10 I guess.1972 T250
1978 Z200
1979 XS650
Is it an issue with combustion/timing etc or is something to do with materials?
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