Noah, flood and the dried up Mediterranean

[PositronicRay]

Reading this piece earlier, pre history, re the Mediterranean drying up then flooding again.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/spotlight/the-medit...

Now pondering, about Noah and where the story came from.

[Oldandslow]

Similar Black Sea event and some archaeological evidence for shorelines under deep water.

[Teddy Lop]

PositronicRay said:

Reading this piece earlier, pre history, re the Mediterranean drying up then flooding again.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/spotlight/the-medit...

Now pondering, about Noah and where the story came from.

TBF every society has a fable of a great flood, the accounts run so similar that some speculate they have a common origin.

[Spare tyre]

Slightly related - atlantropa

https://youtu.be/TEdsQmjLMKs Crazy stuff

[bobtail4x4]

Teddy Lop said:

TBF every society has a fable of a great flood, the accounts run so similar that some speculate they have a common origin.

locally ours was last week

[Zirconia]

I was thinking in a few generations that the UK will be a hotbed for apocryphal portents related to the great floods in new religions.

What is left of the UK anyway.

[anonymous-user]

The North Sea, with mammoth bones being dredged up, is a similar example. When we also have land that was once underwater you can see the scale of change that once was and could be again. I do believe there are cycles of freeze-thaw over millenia which will likely show us that our belief that we are causing it is quite an arrogant approach. That being said even if we are powerless to effect meaningful change at least we need to become leaner for when conditions really do become much more adverse.

[Chimune]

I'm pondering who wrote that!
Could you pass "the ghostly white minerals" please dear?

[slightlyoldgit]

If anyone has read the "Saga of Pliocene Exile" by Julian May - there is a really interesting take on this event, of course very fictionalised.

[Einion Yrth]

slightlyoldgit said:

If anyone has read the "Saga of Pliocene Exile" by Julian May - there is a really interesting take on this event, of course very fictionalised.

A young woman levitating and blasting out the straits of Gibraltar with the power of her mind? Fiction? Nah, totally credible.

[Ridgemont]

slightlyoldgit said:

If anyone has read the "Saga of Pliocene Exile" by Julian May - there is a really interesting take on this event, of course very fictionalised.

Which bit? The dual form alien race enslaving timetravelling humans or the same humans being able to wield enormous psychokinetic powers?

[slightlyoldgit]

Einion Yrth said:

slightlyoldgit said:

If anyone has read the "Saga of Pliocene Exile" by Julian May - there is a really interesting take on this event, of course very fictionalised.

A young woman levitating and blasting out the straits of Gibraltar with the power of her mind? Fiction? Nah, totally credible.

I said it was interesting - not credible

It just happens to be arguably one of my favourite series of books and the thread reminded me of it.

[Einion Yrth]

slightlyoldgit said:

Einion Yrth said:

slightlyoldgit said:

If anyone has read the "Saga of Pliocene Exile" by Julian May - there is a really interesting take on this event, of course very fictionalised.

A young woman levitating and blasting out the straits of Gibraltar with the power of her mind? Fiction? Nah, totally credible.

I said it was interesting - not credible

It just happens to be arguably one of my favourite series of books and the thread reminded me of it.

Oh, don't get me wrong; I thoroughly enjoyed the saga of the exiles/many coloured land, Ms. May's reworking of Irish myth allied with geological and evolutionary conjecture was highly entertaining. Just not credible

[slightlyoldgit]

Einion Yrth said:

slightlyoldgit said:

Einion Yrth said:

slightlyoldgit said:

If anyone has read the "Saga of Pliocene Exile" by Julian May - there is a really interesting take on this event, of course very fictionalised.

A young woman levitating and blasting out the straits of Gibraltar with the power of her mind? Fiction? Nah, totally credible.

I said it was interesting - not credible

It just happens to be arguably one of my favourite series of books and the thread reminded me of it.

Oh, don't get me wrong; I thoroughly enjoyed the saga of the exiles/many coloured land, Ms. May's reworking of Irish myth allied with geological and evolutionary conjecture was highly entertaining. Just not credible

Well someone mentioned Noah which means the Bible - so I just assumed all works of fiction were appropriate to be part of the debate!

[Einion Yrth]

slightlyoldgit said:

Einion Yrth said:

slightlyoldgit said:

Einion Yrth said:

slightlyoldgit said:

If anyone has read the "Saga of Pliocene Exile" by Julian May - there is a really interesting take on this event, of course very fictionalised.

A young woman levitating and blasting out the straits of Gibraltar with the power of her mind? Fiction? Nah, totally credible.

I said it was interesting - not credible

It just happens to be arguably one of my favourite series of books and the thread reminded me of it.

Oh, don't get me wrong; I thoroughly enjoyed the saga of the exiles/many coloured land, Ms. May's reworking of Irish myth allied with geological and evolutionary conjecture was highly entertaining. Just not credible

Well someone mentioned Noah which means the Bible - so I just assumed all works of fiction were appropriate to be part of the debate!

A good point, well made.

[slightlyoldgit]

Einion Yrth said:

A good point, well made.

Why thank you.

FYI and apologies to the OP and thread in general for the diversion.

I will assume you have read the connected Galactic Milieu Series; if not you really must.

Also, if you haven't read them the Rampart Worlds series of hers are amazing and another recommendation which will probably appeal - have a read of some of Dan Worth's stuff - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dan-Worth/e/B004G7A1HA/

I happen to know him through family connections and it is great stuff and he is a Julian May fan himself.

[popeyewhite]

PositronicRay said:

Now pondering, about Noah and where the story came from.

Sumeria. IIRC.

[Huff]

PositronicRay said:

Now pondering, about Noah and where the story came from.

Word-for-word a straight transliteraion - pretty much - from the (Sumerian) Epic of Gilgamesh [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh - right down to what the birds released by Noah (/Upnapishtim!/), found, in order of findings.

TL;dr: An old story from Mesopotamia: which means ' between the rivers' i.e. between the Tigris, and Euphrates.


Epic Flood story, from an Ancient Flood Plain? Well, what a surprise...

[csd19]

Huff said:

Epic Flood story, from an Ancient Flood Plain? Well, what a surprise...

It's something that should inspire all the youngsters in their must-have new builds, built on err flood plains....

[Ayahuasca]

PositronicRay said:

Reading this piece earlier, pre history, re the Mediterranean drying up then flooding again.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/spotlight/the-medit...

Now pondering, about Noah and where the story came from.

That particular flood cannot be connected to Noah.