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My guess would be having the CAA use either a BASA agreement (like the EU has with the US/Canada & Brazil) or a WA agreement (like the EU has with almost everyone else) with EASA as not being a member state any more technically means we'd "leave" EASA but still be able to have "agreements" with it.
More info in the BBC article - basically CAA takes over (as expected). - https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51783580
More info in the BBC article - basically CAA takes over (as expected). - https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51783580
Edited by IanH755 on Saturday 7th March 16:30
Simpo Two said:
Are any other non-EU countries in EASA?
"In EASA" is a bit of a misnomer TBH as only EU nations are "in EASA" (they're called member states) however virtually the rest of world has some form of agreement with EASA. Here's the list of countries involved - https://www.easa.europa.eu/easa-and-you/internatio...jaisharma said:
Perhaps our current government consider that the present standards are excessive....
Funnily enough last time I had a conversation with a chap from SARG at the CAA he was saying that EASA has long applied pressure to reduce costs in the UK through a reduction in spend on safety. Our Air Traffic Services (my area) are costly because we really care about safety vs other EASA compliant nations where the service provision is, I would I argue, fairly poor.djc206 said:
jaisharma said:
Perhaps our current government consider that the present standards are excessive....
Funnily enough last time I had a conversation with a chap from SARG at the CAA he was saying that EASA has long applied pressure to reduce costs in the UK through a reduction in spend on safety. Our Air Traffic Services (my area) are costly because we really care about safety vs other EASA compliant nations where the service provision is, I would I argue, fairly poor.
Which rather blows a hole in the assumption that anything EU-based is Very Good and anything we do ourselves must be worse.Simpo Two said:
Which rather blows a hole in the assumption that anything EU-based is Very Good and anything we do ourselves must be worse.djc206 said:
Simpo Two said:
Which rather blows a hole in the assumption that anything EU-based is Very Good and anything we do ourselves must be worse.IanH755 said:
"In EASA" is a bit of a misnomer TBH as only EU nations are "in EASA" (they're called member states) however virtually the rest of world has some form of agreement with EASA. Here's the list of countries involved - https://www.easa.europa.eu/easa-and-you/internatio...
EFTA countries are full members of EASA too. djc206 said:
Simpo Two said:
Which rather blows a hole in the assumption that anything EU-based is Very Good and anything we do ourselves must be worse.Working with EASA isn't necessarily that difficult once you understand the system, hence there is no need to "leave", it's purely about the politics. I agree, there's no way the CAA is any shape to take over the full regulatory role. Ironically, most of the EASA changes have been about falling in line with ICAO - the difference is, we won't have a decent seat at the table to put our voice across. I imagine the nominally UK airlines will deregister, so that includes Easyjet, TUI & British Airways, who'll then move their engineering bases across to the continent - so perhaps the CAA won't have that much to do...
El stovey said:
The government statement says it all.
“However, a Department for Transport (DfT) spokeswoman said EASA membership was "not compatible" with the UK having "genuine economic and political independence".”
Despite airlines, industry bodies etc all arguing to stay in EASA.
Apparently you cannot be a easa member unless you are in the Eu hence the incompatibility as discussed in the Eu thread but what do I know I am a tiler... “However, a Department for Transport (DfT) spokeswoman said EASA membership was "not compatible" with the UK having "genuine economic and political independence".”
Despite airlines, industry bodies etc all arguing to stay in EASA.
djc206 said:
jaisharma said:
Perhaps our current government consider that the present standards are excessive....
Funnily enough last time I had a conversation with a chap from SARG at the CAA he was saying that EASA has long applied pressure to reduce costs in the UK through a reduction in spend on safety. Our Air Traffic Services (my area) are costly because we really care about safety vs other EASA compliant nations where the service provision is, I would I argue, fairly poor.is this an example of the situation where the UK tends to take EU guidelines and then goldplates them?
Vanden Saab said:
El stovey said:
The government statement says it all.
“However, a Department for Transport (DfT) spokeswoman said EASA membership was "not compatible" with the UK having "genuine economic and political independence".”
Despite airlines, industry bodies etc all arguing to stay in EASA.
Apparently you cannot be a easa member unless you are in the Eu hence the incompatibility as discussed in the Eu thread but what do I know I am a tiler... “However, a Department for Transport (DfT) spokeswoman said EASA membership was "not compatible" with the UK having "genuine economic and political independence".”
Despite airlines, industry bodies etc all arguing to stay in EASA.
Your comments are based on someone on Twitter if you read the twitter thread it’s progressed more and the original poster has even admitted he doesn’t know if the U.K. could remain in EASA
In the meantime the U.K. has announced its leaving EASA.
Simpo Two said:
Are any other non-EU countries in EASA?
Yes a few but I think they’re classed as associate member states like Iceland, Norway and Switzerland so they likely still have some single market connections.https://www.easa.europa.eu/country-category/easa-m...
Simpo Two said:
Are any other non-EU countries in EASA?
Yes.Iceland, Lichtenstein, Norway and Switzerland are non-EU members of EASA, but, the key point I believe, is that to be even a non-EU member of EASA would mean accepting the European Court of Justice as the legal arbitrator, and the UK has made it quite clear that's not an option........in fact its been a sticking point even when the UK was in the EU.
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