2020 Budget predictions
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Macron

Original Poster:

12,859 posts

190 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Don’t see a thread on this?

Gonna be interesting with a recent appointee and the overall environment!

MrVert

4,456 posts

263 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Might as well just defer it until the current meltdown has peaked.

No point in predicting spending when revenues will be unpredictably hit...

Digga

46,731 posts

307 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Personally, I think a fiscal boost, mainly through infrastructure investment is vital for both the immediate economy and also future GDP growth and investment. I am terrified that, through environmental NIMBYism, the UK will consign itself to a slow, painful slide down the world GDP rankings.

Eric Mc

124,992 posts

289 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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MrVert said:
Might as well just defer it until the current meltdown has peaked.

No point in predicting spending when revenues will be unpredictably hit...
It's already 6 months late. It should have been last November.

If you keep waiting for (insert whatever national emergency you like) to end, you would never have any Budgets.

The fact that we haven't had one for 18 months is causing no end of uncertainty at the moment.

greygoose

9,422 posts

219 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Eric Mc said:
MrVert said:
Might as well just defer it until the current meltdown has peaked.

No point in predicting spending when revenues will be unpredictably hit...
It's already 6 months late. It should have been last November.

If you keep waiting for (insert whatever national emergency you like) to end, you would never have any Budgets.

The fact that we haven't had one for 18 months is causing no end of uncertainty at the moment.
Delaying it again would probably spook the markets even more.

Big-Bo-Beep

884 posts

78 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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bit of a long shot but i have the feeling weary motorists, as usual, will get shafted financially
as the government continue to appease the Green lobby by demonising the adherents of
the internal combustion engine.

anonymous-user

78 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Digga said:
Personally, I think a fiscal boost, mainly through infrastructure investment is vital for both the immediate economy and also future GDP growth and investment. I am terrified that, through environmental NIMBYism, the UK will consign itself to a slow, painful slide down the world GDP rankings.
Yeah the money tree is going to get a good shake, especially now that Javid’s gone.

Sophisticated Sarah

15,078 posts

193 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Big-Bo-Beep said:
bit of a long shot but i have the feeling weary motorists, as usual, will get shafted financially
as the government continue to appease the Green lobby by demonising the adherents of
the internal combustion engine.
They’ll probably use the “oil price is dropping” situation to stick fuel tax up

Digga

46,731 posts

307 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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El stovey said:
Digga said:
Personally, I think a fiscal boost, mainly through infrastructure investment is vital for both the immediate economy and also future GDP growth and investment. I am terrified that, through environmental NIMBYism, the UK will consign itself to a slow, painful slide down the world GDP rankings.
Yeah the money tree is going to get a good shake, especially now that Javid’s gone.
To be fair, it is definitely the time to borrow to invest in long term capital projects and we all know the UK's infrastructure is, literally, crumbling.

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

181 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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MrVert said:
Might as well just defer it until the current meltdown has peaked.

No point in predicting spending when revenues will be unpredictably hit...
There has to be one and an annual Finance Act, or HMRC cannot demand tax from us.

CubanPete

3,777 posts

212 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Sophisticated Sarah said:
They’ll probably use the “oil price is dropping” situation to stick fuel tax up
In all fairness, I think they should raise it. Reduce unnecessary journies, reduce the number of T5s and overloaded Corsa's heading down the motorway every Friday, freer running roads and cleaner air means that other bans won't have to take place.

It's like going to a slightly more expensive pub and avoiding witherspoons. Sometimes a couple of quid extra is worth it.

oyster

13,508 posts

272 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Big-Bo-Beep said:
bit of a long shot but i have the feeling weary motorists, as usual, will get shafted financially
as the government continue to appease the Green lobby by demonising the adherents of
the internal combustion engine.
Pretty sure fuel duty has been frozen for a decade and VED has gone up in line with inflation.

In real terms, motoring must be as cheap as ever in history.

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

107 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Will probably be the usual self serving tory stuff. No vat on giant earmuffs etc etc.

Agammemnon

1,628 posts

82 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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oyster said:
Pretty sure fuel duty has been frozen for a decade and VED has gone up in line with inflation.

In real terms, motoring must be as cheap as ever in history.
VED has been up & down all over the place for many years, especially on non-eco stuff.

VAT is at the highest rate ever, insurance now carries IPT.

It's a long way from Utopia.

ZymoTech

187 posts

95 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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There has been speculation in the run up to the budget that the Chancellor is thinking about abolishing the freeze on fuel duty and in addition abolishing the duty rebate on red diesel. A sensible government would be aware that it's diesel fuel, in both the white and red flavours, which keeps the economy moving and that any increase in pricing has repercussions. The construction industry has already voiced its concern (see link below)

https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/i...



oyster

13,508 posts

272 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Agammemnon said:
oyster said:
Pretty sure fuel duty has been frozen for a decade and VED has gone up in line with inflation.

In real terms, motoring must be as cheap as ever in history.
VED has been up & down all over the place for many years, especially on non-eco stuff.

VAT is at the highest rate ever, insurance now carries IPT.

It's a long way from Utopia.
Indeed some taxes have gone up which impact the cost of using/owning a car, and you're right it's not utopia.

Even allowing for that, motoring is a bargain.
Add that to the Tory manifesto green commitments, and it's inevitable that taxes on driving will go up.

Agammemnon

1,628 posts

82 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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oyster said:
Indeed some taxes have gone up which impact the cost of using/owning a car, and you're right it's not utopia.

Even allowing for that, motoring is a bargain.
You really must introduce me to the nice roads you drive on- ours are in a state.

Eric Mc

124,992 posts

289 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Agammemnon said:
VED has been up & down all over the place for many years, especially on non-eco stuff.

VAT is at the highest rate ever, insurance now carries IPT.

It's a long way from Utopia.
We've had IPT for around 20 years.

LeighW

5,238 posts

212 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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Eric Mc said:
Agammemnon said:
VED has been up & down all over the place for many years, especially on non-eco stuff.

VAT is at the highest rate ever, insurance now carries IPT.

It's a long way from Utopia.
We've had IPT for around 20 years.
Yep, but it was 5% at the start IIRC, now 12%.

Maybe we're due another rise in divi tax - let's hope not!

MrVert

4,456 posts

263 months

Tuesday 10th March 2020
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greygoose said:
Eric Mc said:
MrVert said:
Might as well just defer it until the current meltdown has peaked.

No point in predicting spending when revenues will be unpredictably hit...
It's already 6 months late. It should have been last November.

If you keep waiting for (insert whatever national emergency you like) to end, you would never have any Budgets.

The fact that we haven't had one for 18 months is causing no end of uncertainty at the moment.
Delaying it again would probably spook the markets even more.
Understand all of the above, however it could be meaningless....

Does anyone think companies are thinking about investment and expansion right now? Everything will off the table until this has at least peaked.

Retail, hospitality and some of the service sector could be on their knees within weeks.