Sitting on the Max
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Boeing obviously have shed loads of finished Max's waiting to deliver as soon as they are approved.
Presumably most of these contracts will have buyer protection in terms of delivery dates, and likely Boeing will have breached this. Question is will they be sat on fields full of airplanes that no one actually wants come the available delivery date?
Has their year got even worse?
Presumably most of these contracts will have buyer protection in terms of delivery dates, and likely Boeing will have breached this. Question is will they be sat on fields full of airplanes that no one actually wants come the available delivery date?
Has their year got even worse?
pequod said:
Serious question. How long can modern (aka the MAX) aircraft be parked without a significant effect to their airworthiness? I assume the wings are properly supported and other mitigating procedures are undertaken, but can they be stored indefinitely?
In a word no.The USAF stores their aircraft in Arizona for the dry climate but even so they still have to remove the engines, seal the entire airframe to prevent dust and moisture ingress, drain all the fluids and then use corosion inhibitors
Somewhere with a cold, damp and salty atmosphere like the Pacific Northwest where Boing are based is a total nightmare for a fully functioning aircraft.
Sheepshanks said:
...having said that, they're not (in this case) left untouched. Boeing has a team of people maintaining them.
Maintenance ready for flight or maintenance of the mothballing procedure?Could you rotate aircraft around airfields on short flights to keep them airworthy and hence ready for delivery to their intended customers while waiting for the mods/certificates to be available?
The aircraft are not mothballed but just parked. There is an entire team of ground engineers who do things such as start the engines on a regular basis, move the aircraft slightly so the tires do not develop a flat spot, exercise the aircraft systems. There is ongoing maintenance going on to comply with all the ADs issued.
The aircraft can only be flown to move them, for example, Paine Field to Moses Lake. For the simple fact, their type certificate has been withdrawn, they are not airworthy. However, they can be flown under an experimental type certificate. Once the type certification is sorted they will be made ready to ferry or deliver to their owners.
The aircraft can only be flown to move them, for example, Paine Field to Moses Lake. For the simple fact, their type certificate has been withdrawn, they are not airworthy. However, they can be flown under an experimental type certificate. Once the type certification is sorted they will be made ready to ferry or deliver to their owners.
phil squares said:
The aircraft are not mothballed but just parked. There is an entire team of ground engineers who do things such as start the engines on a regular basis, move the aircraft slightly so the tires do not develop a flat spot, exercise the aircraft systems. There is ongoing maintenance going on to comply with all the ADs issued.
The aircraft can only be flown to move them, for example, Paine Field to Moses Lake. For the simple fact, their type certificate has been withdrawn, they are not airworthy. However, they can be flown under an experimental type certificate. Once the type certification is sorted they will be made ready to ferry or deliver to their owners.
Thank you, and just as I thought would be the case.The aircraft can only be flown to move them, for example, Paine Field to Moses Lake. For the simple fact, their type certificate has been withdrawn, they are not airworthy. However, they can be flown under an experimental type certificate. Once the type certification is sorted they will be made ready to ferry or deliver to their owners.
This popped up on my YouTube feed earlier. Worth a watch.
How Boeing lost it’s way:
https://youtu.be/EESYomdoeCs
How Boeing lost it’s way:
https://youtu.be/EESYomdoeCs
Trevatanus said:
wibble cb said:
Boeing may have lost its way, but the US govt will not let them go to the wall, they will survive (in some form or other).
Which is ironic, can you imagine if the EU offered Airbus financial assistance if they were in this hole? 
aeropilot said:
Trevatanus said:
wibble cb said:
Boeing may have lost its way, but the US govt will not let them go to the wall, they will survive (in some form or other).
Which is ironic, can you imagine if the EU offered Airbus financial assistance if they were in this hole? Sounds a bit like when someone hits your car, you put it into the garage and try to get the insurance company to pay for a previous big dent
https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-asks-for-60-bi...
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